I'm shopping for a 1911. Any help?

[b4uqzme]

[QUOTE=Bawanna;

I gotta get a CZ myself still, wanted one for a long time and they seem much loved by folks that have them.[/QUOTE]

Yes they are and yes you should. CZ97db is in your beloved .45. Definitely recommend the decocker vs the safety model.

[b4uqzme]

I've wanted a CZ too.
But it seems like I read that some CZ guns don't feed HPs.
That's a deal breaker for me.

mine eats anything. One of our forum members stated recently that his would eat a ham sandwich (was it popeye?). I believe him.

[Barth]

mine eats anything. One of our forum members stated recently that his would eat a ham sandwich (was it popeye?). I believe him.

Is that all CZs or just a specific model(s)?

The classic 9mm CZ 75 and it's big brother CZ 97 .45 I'm most interested in.

[b4uqzme]

Is that all CZs or just a specific model(s)?

The classic 9mm CZ 75 and it's big brother CZ 97 .45 I'm most interested in.

The ham sandwich eater (popeye?) referenced is the 75 but I would expect the same from the 97...only a bigger sandwich. IMHO you should at least check a 75 if you are looking for a 9mm 1911. Cock the hammer and you are SA from the first pull. Or decock and you are just a simple DA pull away from bang. Send it off to the custom shop and they can dial in a great trigger. Mine's a custom shop 75P01 SDP. So I can attest to the great trigger. Stock triggers can be a little gritty at first but they wear in.

CZ owners seem to be just as passionate as Glock owners or even us Kahr owners. I've never held anything that felt better in your hand, shot tighter or was more reliable. If Glock is the Toyota of the shooting world, CZ is the BMW 3series. Not the most expensive or prestigeous but truly a driving (shooting) machine.

[Barth]

The ham sandwich eater (popeye?) referenced is the 75 but I would expect the same from the 97...only a bigger sandwich. IMHO you should at least check a 75 if you are looking for a 9mm 1911. Cock the hammer and you are SA from the first pull. Or decock and you are just a simple DA pull away from bang. Send it off to the custom shop and they can dial in a great trigger. Mine's a custom shop 75P01 SDP. So I can attest to the great trigger. Stock triggers can be a little gritty at first but they wear in.

CZ owners seem to be just as passionate as Glock owners or even us Kahr owners. I've never held anything that felt better in your hand, shot tighter or was more reliable. If Glock is the Toyota of the shooting world, CZ is the BMW 3series. Not the most expensive or prestigeous but truly a driving (shooting) machine.

[b4uqzme]

I guess someone should post a pic of a 1911 so we can give mrbrett his thread back

[Barth]

Wilson Combat KZ45

[Bawanna]

One of my favorite pictures.

[Barth]

[QuackXP]

Only buy a Springfield if you like to support firearms manufactures that force nanny state internal locks on all their customers. The worst part is this "feature" is not listed in its marketing. I only found out because I downloaded the user manual during my research. A email to their customer service did confirm this "feature" is on all of their factory models. Some custom shop stuff does not though.

I know all you have to do is swap the mainspring housing. But I should not have to pay more to have a "feature" I don't want and is not required in my state.

Internal locks only purpose is so that anti politicians in nanny states can feel like they did something to make firearms safer. Anyone who would use a lock would already use a external lock or a safe. They only add extra, cost, complexity and failure points to the firearm.

I was all set to buy a mil-spec stainless until I found this out.

No firearm with an internal lock will ever be purchased by me and unless you want to support more and more restrictions on firearms you should not buy one either.

[downtownv]

Only buy a Springfield if you like to support firearms manufactures that force nanny state internal locks on all their customers. The worst part is this "feature" is not listed in its marketing. I only found out because I downloaded the user manual during my research. A email to their customer service did confirm this "feature" is on all of their factory models. Some custom shop stuff does not though.

I know all you have to do is swap the mainspring housing. But I should not have to pay more to have a "feature" I don't want and is not required in my state.

Internal locks only purpose is so that anti politicians in nanny states can feel like they did something to make firearms safer. Anyone who would use a lock would already use a external lock or a safe. They only add extra, cost, complexity and failure points to the firearm.

I was all set to buy a mil-spec stainless until I found this out.

No firearm with an internal lock will ever be purchased by me and unless you want to support more and more restrictions on firearms you should not buy one either.

Interesting, did not know that....

[QuackXP]

Interesting, did not know that....

From: PenneB@springfield-armory.com
To: QuackXP@email.address
Subject: RE: Sales Email - Sent: 08/09/13 19:37:27 -05:00 - 1911 Internal Lock
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:18:11 +0000

Yes it is on all of them.


Thank you and have a great day!
Penne B.
Customer Service Rep.
1-800-680-6866, Ext 8972
Springfield Armory
Email: penneb@springfield-armory.com

From: Sales
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 8:40 AM
To: Penne B
Subject: Sales Email - Sent: 08/09/13 19:37:27 -05:00 - 1911 Internal Lock

Original message from QuackXP -- Email: QuackXP@email.address

From: QuackXP@email.address
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:37:27 AM
To: Sales
Subject: 1911 Internal Lock
I was looking at purchasing a Stainless Mil-Spec. I downloaded the user manual for the Springfield 1911 line and noticed it referenced an internal locking mechanism. Is this feature part of all of your 1911 pistols?

Thank You,

QuackXP

Not having this nanny state feature is what drove me to the Kahr over the LC9 or the PPS. For a single stack 9mm.

[hardluk1]

mrbret Seems your tread has gon't a bit side tracked
Back to a 1911 in your price range. Don't shy away from the RIA 1911's I have managed to get threw 46 years of hunting and shooting with out a 1911 and finally bought one after shooting a bunch of both low cost to high cost 1911's. Deside to go in at the low cost level to see how one worked out as I will not carry a 1911 so the its is more of a fun gun house gun for me.

Mine is a RIA tactical 5" fs and has been very reliable with ever brand of ammo and bullet type tried. With ammo avaibliity the way it is I have shot 7 or 8 different fmj and hp brands. Zero issues. I have added a few CMC power mags and dimpled the right side so they would function the side hold open.

Pistol is easy to shoot well and does smooth up some with use. I have change springs to a 17lb wolf recoil and 18ln main spring and it works fine with all ammo including underwoods +P ammo.

The RIA tactical FS 5" cost 468 dollars local at out lgs new. Mags were 21 bucks. Old stock.
I have shot les baer and clark customs. There are prettier but none any more accurate yet I am happy with this RIA and I own no bbq guns or safe queens.
Heres my plane jane 1911 with Hogue palm swell grips.

[Barth]

Springfield 1911s - Value, Value, Value

Beyond all the kookiness.
When I think of quality entry level 1911s?
Seems like I keep coming back to Springfield.

GI, Mil Spec, Range Officer, Loaded, TRP.
IMHO, for the money, any flavor of Springfield seems like a safe bet.

[gb6491]

Beyond all the kookiness.
When I think of quality entry level 1911s?
Seems like I keep coming back to Springfield.

GI, Mil Spec, Range Officer, Loaded, TRP.
IMHO, for the money, any flavor of Springfield seems like a safe bet.

Springfield makes decent 1911s.
The TRP is hardly an entry level 1911 and I don't think the GI is being made anymore. That leaves the Mil-Spec as the entry level gun, but IMO the RO is worth the extra money. The Mil-Spec is a solid gun, but there are few 1911s from other makers that are it's equal (or better) in the same price range. I think it worth noting that all Springers start out with frames and slides from South America. I've no problem with this, but it might be something that somebody shopping for a 1911 might want to know.
Regards,
Greg

BTW, I still own a Springer 1911, but if I had to chose between any new Springer 1911 (outside the TRP, Trophy Match, or a Custom Shop gun) and my current Remington R1S, I'd take the Remington (I'd include my current Springer in that as well).