Reintroduction of the Kahr PM9 - New Trigger

[KMA]

I thought that Kahr only put the safety on Massachusetts guns (As required by their laws)?

Please tell me they didn't f-up the whole PM9 line?

California requires it too. I cannot think of other states right now that have the same requirement. I truly hope you are wrong and they did not mess up the whole PM9 line, because that would be a shame. I guess it might be cheaper for them to only make one model of PM9 than to make two.

[DMR]

The enhanced trigger will only go on guns with the manual safety, but you don't have to live in MA to order one. They are not doing that to all of them.

Now, I don't know what they are going to do about people wanting to order the trigger for their non manual safety pistols. Maybe just not make it available as an orderable part or assembly.

You can order the parts for the new PMs on the Kahr page. Would the PM parts work in a T-9? I may just order them and compare them.

[MLESa7990]

The 'enhanced' trigger is only available on the new models with manual safety and cannot be retrofitted to other models. That is what I was told by a Kahr rep.

[JFootin]

The 'enhanced' trigger is only available on the new models with manual safety and cannot be retrofitted to other models. That is what I was told by a Kahr rep.

I wonder if they are just blowing smoke or if they did something in the design that makes it only work with the safety. (I don't know how they could do that? )

Frankly, though, I don't think my trigger can be improved upon. I put the 5 lb striker spring in and it is just incredibly smooth. But it is still very safe handling the gun. That long throw and a trigger pull weight that is 5 times the weight of the gun make it the perfect design for a self defense gun with no safety, IMO.

[joshh]

i live in ma (minutes from the kahr factory) and carry the safety model pm9 daily. when i bought it i figured i would carry it with the safety off because i have never carried with a safety switch. that said, i use the safety & have practiced enough that i dont feel it hinders or slows my draw time at all. i like this pistol and am more comfortable carrying it than any other i have tried.
in ma pistols only require a safety system, not a switch. i am told, kahr opted for the switch to keep that trigger pull and to make it more "acceptable" for stricter states.

[jocko]

personally

I wonder if they are just blowing smoke or if they did something in the design that makes it only work with the safety. (I don't know how they could do that? )

Frankly, though, I don't think my trigger can be improved upon. I put the 5 lb striker spring in and it is just incredibly smooth. But it is still very safe handling the gun. That long throw and a trigger pull weight that is 5 times the weight of the gun make it the perfect design for a self defense gun with no safety, IMO.

I would think not, but they might have felt if were gonna shorten that trigger pull a tad, then it willbe on the guns with the external safety on them. I would bet a dollar to a donut that the upper slide is exactly the same as all PM9 kahrs are, not a p[art different and more than likely the only change is the trigger bar and the pinion holes driledd into it. very similar to the deisgn of the nypd K9 triggers system. Just that IMO kahr is not going to retrofit any kahr with this shorter stroke trigger. I dont think it is a design that must have a safety other than that is what kahrs decided that is the only way they will offer it.

[Chogers]

Well I have the PM9193N myself and Jay from Kahr told there is absolutely no way they can do the elite trigger upgrade for me. I asked him if he was kidding since I have only had my weapon for 6 months and bought new and thought it would only be fair if I could still pay for the option to get it upgraded on my model. He just kept saying no we cannot do that sorry about the inconveinence. He said it wasn't possible. I am still having a difficult time with this whole deal.

[jocko]

did he say other than no as to why beng ur PM9 has the external safety etc. could possably be a liability thing also but I have no clue as to why.

I understand ur feelings but u bought the gun knowing it had the elite trigger in it and up until this enhanced thrigger was introduced, you had to be well pleased with it. I believe the difference is 1/8" less trigger travel, nothing more.

Might just be me but not sure I would want to pay postage both ways plus the additional cost of parts and labor, which I bet when all said and done could come to every bit of 175$ for 1/8" less travel:israel:

[MLESa7990]

Well I have the PM9193N myself and Jay from Kahr told there is absolutely no way they can do the elite trigger upgrade for me. I asked him if he was kidding since I have only had my weapon for 6 months and bought new and thought it would only be fair if I could still pay for the option to get it upgraded on my model. He just kept saying no we cannot do that sorry about the inconveinence. He said it wasn't possible. I am still having a difficult time with this whole deal.

The PM9193 has the same trigger as any other Kahr model. I have one myself. They can get away with it because of the external safety. If not for the safety the trigger pull would have to be 10+ pounds

[jocko]

I think u miossed this fells's point. he has the PM9 external safety model, prior to the new intro of the same gun only now with the enhancd trigger in it, which is 1/8" shorter. he was wanting to get that enhanced trigger in his external safety PM9 that he bought 6 months earlier.. I think he knows he has the elitie trigger system in his PM9 external safety model--I think..

[MLESa7990]

"Well I have the PM9193N myself and Jay from Kahr told there is absolutely no way they can do the elite trigger upgrade for me."


The way I read that is he thought his didn't have the elite trigger, which it does. The new enhanced trigger isn't called the elite trigger as far as I know.

[jocko]

heh

Well I have the PM9193N myself and Jay from Kahr told there is absolutely no way they can do the elite trigger upgrade for me. I asked him if he was kidding since I have only had my weapon for 6 months and bought new and thought it would only be fair if I could still pay for the option to get it upgraded on my model. He just kept saying no we cannot do that sorry about the inconveinence. He said it wasn't possible. I am still having a difficult time with this whole deal.

strighten us out hejre, do u mean elite or enhanced trigger. U have the elite in the gun now:israel:

[Chogers]

strighten us out hejre, do u mean elite or enhanced trigger. U have the elite in the gun now:israel:

Sorry if I caused all this madness fellas! Now I think you guys have me confused. I called Kahr about getting the new enhanced trigger put on mine. I figured it would be an easy thing to do since my PM9 is already fitted with a thumb safety. There must be more to it since Jay said they cant do it. And your right all Kahr triggers are the same at the moment until Kahr just decided to shake it up a bit 6 months after I bought mine brand new!

[jocko]

Maybe in time

Sorry if I caused all this madness fellas! Now I think you guys have me confused. I called Kahr about getting the new enhanced trigger put on mine. I figured it would be an easy thing to do since my PM9 is already fitted with a thumb safety. There must be more to it since Jay said they cant do it. And your right all Kahr triggers are the same at the moment until Kahr just decided to shake it up a bit 6 months after I bought mine brand new!

u will be able to retrofit your manual safgety PM9.

I got this from Kahr towards your comment to this forum.

That model is so new I am unsure
if the frame is different or not. I have yet to even have my hands on one.
Also, I believe the company (at least for the forseeable future) is not
retrofitting the trigger to any existing weapons. I hope this information
helps some.


IMO I think it will be an easy thing to do. costly as postage will eat u up and partsd and laobr to, but eventually I think they will get around to do doing it, but do't look for this to happen right away either.

[joshh]

my friend bowls with a kahr employee, ill ask him to pick away but they are pretty tight lipped over there...