If you could change the trigger...

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

I'm working on the kahr trigger assy with intent to offer drop in parts for upgrading the trigger pull. I'd like to hear your opinions on what you'ld like if you could change the trigger. Here's what I can do...

1) shortens trigger stoke, breaks quicker and is obviously lighter and smooth.

2) shorten reset perhaps 20%. If this is done the trigger would engage a bit further back, with some felt "slack" in front, somewhat glock-like. Lighter pull and a clean break, with little overtravel.

3) Shorter stroke, but starting sooner upon engaging the trigger. Reset almost all the way forward. lighter and shorter pull, perhaps more overtravel, but I have an idea for that also.

To those who have seen this in the K9 forums you know initially this is for release to the steel gun guys, but my intention is to offer a few configurations to cover all models, including the poly guns.

So - if you could change your kahr, what would you do? TIA, Steve

[FLBri]

The lack of too much "slack" or take up would be important to me. If I had to increase the take up slack, I would prefer to keep what I have.

Priorities for myself are:
#1 length of stroke

after that would be reset and stroke weight. I have no problem with either if the stroke was shorter.

In your scenarios, that would put me with #1 and #3 ... but limiting the over travel (as you mention in #3) would also be important.

I'm totally in for beta testing .... MK and T / 9's and 40

[Redstate]

I love the Glock trigger. If my Kahrs had Glock like triggers, they would, for me, be the perfect pistol. With that said, I still like the Kahr trigger.

[socialwork911]

let me know when they are avail.....put me on your list....but first let's hear and see a video of how it works on your gun

[Tinman507]

I admire your engineering prowess and vision, but I have to be honest and say I would change nothing about my K9 trigger.
I shoot my son's G26 regularly and I shoot the K9 so much better. I don't care for the Glock trigger at all. I shoot my CM9 better than the Glock albeit not as well as the K9. Maybe I don't know any better as the CM9 was my first handgun. Perhaps ignorance is bliss? Dunno.
I'd be interested or curious to see what the improvements would feel like.

[ripley16]

My beef has always been the length of reach. The trigger is simply too close to the grip. Combined with that long pull, I sometimes feel as if my finger is doubling back on itself. This leads to "pushing" shots. Give me a straight trigger, no curve, and tighten up on the length a little. Pull weight of the Kahr trigger is OK by me.

[jocko]

Nope, it is fine with me the way it is. ain't a target gun, it is a special purpose gun that has build in safetys like looooong trigger, smoother than glass, no takeup needed, no staging needed. Shoot it alot,u get used to is very easy. No safetys or other levers all over the fokking gun either. A line of gun with the cleanest lines of any on the market. I like my G19 trigger for whatit is, but I sure in hell would not like it in my pocket, not withat that sh!t faced safety glock calls SAS. For me if I had to accept a shorter trigersystem on my kahr I wouldopt for the new trigger system that is gonna be on all kahrs with a maual safety. Now ur getting down to a 1/4 trigger, pull but u have a safety to back u up..

I am probably wrong but I think this STAGING stuff is for the birds. Surely u don't think in a SHTF situation ur gonna stage that trigger or in a SHTF situation ur gonna feel that stageing happening. Hell ur gonna pull right through it, no ifs and or butts about it..

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

Jocko, I agree with you on not staging the trigger, the kahr trigger is meant to be pulled through smoothly and swiftly IMO. I can see from some responses here that unless you actually felt the difference that I've incorporated it would be easy to naysay it. I have taken a pistol Ive worked and one that's box stock to the range and shot them back to back, and I was really surprised at how much the mods made the trigger smoother and cleaner breaking. To me accuracy comes with a surprise break. I can feel when a stocker is getting read to break, with mine I really can't.
BTW Jocko, it's not as if you haven't sought to upgrade your trigger via the 5# spring and lots of shots , so your gun isn't representative of an average stocker either. What is yours? - let me say it - smoother and lighter pulling. No wonder you like it! Steve

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

Also, on the issue of take - up. my cw's don't really have any to speak of. My K9 has about 1/8" inch. with the various mods I have I can move thos figures around in various ways, but in stock non-elite form the K9 is more glock-like with the takeup than the cw's ever thought of being.

I'd like to add on a personal note that I've had a pretty long history of being the guy who "gets into" something and ends up making mods that seem pretty well enjoyed by others. I've done it in a couple other venues, most recently with a particular model motorcycle. This bike was made for 20 years with guys wishing the power delivery was different, the gearing was different etc etc, but nobody ever pulled it off. Basically I did all the stuff that was previously said "you can't do that". I'm not saying I can pull that off with the Kahrs, but if I'm nothing else, I am tenacious. Here's a look at my site - some of you may have already heard of it - https://sites.google.com/site/shooda...rs---shoodaben Have a look if you're so inclined - Steve

[jocko]

the 5# trigger does nadda to shorten anything though. Kahrs new enhanced trigger does. I have not read or heard of anyone having a kahr with this new trigger system yet either, so the jury IMO is out on that. A good doubln wheel gun is smooth all the way through.


U do have a grerat mechancial ability, so u are ahead of 98% on this forum.

I guess one of my concerns and more for u than I, is that it is OK to do these mods but when u start offering them to people at any price, u now have opened urself up to some very good liability, that I would think might not justfy the adventure. Just putting a peace of paper in with a product saying basically travel at ur own risk
" won't get you a cup of coffee in a legal system if sh!t goes wrong. Just sayin.

I think that is even why u won't find this enhanced trigger on any kahr except the ones with a manual external safety. I am sure the legal dept has keep kahr up to date with that. I also don't think we will see this enhanced trigger being sold as a parts thing by kahr either. I might be wrong there on that. If u don't think this country isn't a litagest society, just make a product that harms someone, doesnt have to be a firearms product as u well know...

so I am not negative to what ur doing, so don't take my comments wrong either. I seem to want to error on the side of caution and maybe that is why maybe at my older age, I AM STILL HERE.. I would hate to think of the millions of doollars Ruger poured out 35+ years ago with the single action wheel guns with no hammer block. Seems 99% were OK with it the way it was as common sense should tell most owners to be careful with any safety system built in but that other %% damn near broke the bank with Ruger back then, not only in litegation but in the total recall and the years of advertising in magazines telling owners to send it back.

U did a nice job on that bike. U should work for Harley..

[Bug Splat]

I would give it a try. I love modding my firearms and an willing to try almost anything. I have to be honest though, I LOVE the karh trigger. its like having the smoothest revolver DA trigger ever. Because its long pull is its only real "safety" i'm not sure I'd want it lighter or shorter but I'd try it and who knows, i may like it.

[kerby9mm]

I am all for what you are developing. The one thing that I would like to improve on my 2 mk's is the long reset. I have 3 guns I carry cocked & locked without worry because I am always aware of them when in crowds or whatever I am doing. I'm not clumsy or uncoordinated and don't bump into things that some might think would discharge the 1911 style pistol even though it wouldn't. Of course a good holster is also what the gun is being carried in.

[Short Bus]

I'll take a #1 please (but for my P9)

[CB3]

I have had two P40's and now also have a TP9. I have worked over the triggers to make them smoother and lighter, and they are very good.

However, the trigger is the most important part of a good, reliable, accurate self defense pistol. I would love to have a trigger in the 5# range (mine are now 6#) that had a shorter take-up before engagement, a shorter pull to break, no over travel and a better reset. I could shoot faster and more accurately with such a setup.

So, if you are offering most of these features, or all of them, I would be willing to pay for such a setup.

[Steve in Sunny Fla]

I am all for what you are developing. The one thing that I would like to improve on my 2 mk's is the long reset. I have 3 guns I carry cocked & locked without worry because I am always aware of them when in crowds or whatever I am doing. I'm not clumsy or uncoordinated and don't bump into things that some might think would discharge the 1911 style pistol even though it wouldn't. Of course a good holster is also what the gun is being carried in.

You're always going to have a long reset with a kahr, it's how the system works. Steve