Proper prep of a new kahr

[kahrlover123]

Bawanna,

I'm not trying to discuss about brake cleaner in this thread. The proper prep steps are excellent guides for Kahr noobs. I just want to point out the negative side of brake cleaner (not recommended by Kahr and many other people I know) since it is praised in the first page about using it to replace other gun cleaner products.
Personally, I think it should be updated with "brake cleaner is not recommended by Kahr" in the sentence and we should be clear.

[Bawanna]

I'll see if I can get a definitive positive answer from somebody official.

Near as I can figure the non clorinated brake cleaner is exactly the same as Gun Scrubber. Don't matter to me one way or the other.

If I can get a confirmed official answer we'll add a disclaimer.

[jocko]

wel lI have no doubt that if u ask kahr they will say no brake cleaner, but also IMO they have no clue as to why they are saying that other than it is called brake cleaner and not gun scrubbber or some other gun cleaning spray. If u can sight me the chemical in brake cleaner (non cholorinated) that will eat through a barrel or a polymer grip then ur on to something. I guess from my stand point I will defend the brake clenaers that I have used for the past 5 years on my PM9 kahr and my G19 and to date my barrel is as shinny as the day I polished it and my polymer grip has not melted or disfigured. If u wanna argue the point, I will again say use what you prefer, prove your point and I will be the first to put in a disclaimer. Other than that the kahr prepp thread was not written by kahr but by forum members. I am also sure that kahr will say not to sand their followers either, but we know that in many instances alittle sanding there produces perfect results. They will also tell u not to file the slide stop lever on the insdie to get propper bullet clearance, but we know by doing this, IT WORKS Some have reported that one should not use Hoppe's #9 in cleaning nickel plated barrels and some have stated that kahr has said that to. I think last week I posted a direct message from kahr stating Hoppe's #9 is OK to use but to much will discolor the barrel. but no mention of it eating the nickel plating.

No doubt all thse gun companies are going to recommend using gun related cleaning products. Just makes sense to say that,but surely we know also that these gun cleaning sprays are not the brain child of a company like gun scrubber. Some chemical company that makes most all these cleaning products will put your name on a can if u buy enough of them.

as the Bawanna stated. it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.

so far to my knowledge NO ONE has reported negative results with non cholorinated brake cleaners, or CRC electronic cleaners.

arguing ur point then proving it to me is another thing. I have reported and will stand by it that these non cholornated spray brake cleaners will not harm polymer let along eat a damn barrel up, and hundreds on this forum have used it and none have reported that their barrel just dissappeared or that their polymer grip is now deformed. If anything these cleaners will take ALL the lubrication of where u spray it,course I always thought that was the reason for cleaning a gun to GET IT CLEAN. Now if u don't relube it, that is ur fault, certanly not the fault of the cleaner. It did its job..

For me there will be no disclaimer on my propper prepping thread. I wrote it, I correlated it and I can also delete it entirely.

[jocko]

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If one or two say that, maybe he does not know what he's talking about. But this is a good number of people saying that so I take that into credibility.

Yes, you can do whatever you want and I can do whatever I want.

I just want to point out the possible negativity about brake cleaner on barrel/gun.

There is a REASON they have many GUN CLEANER products.
I even went as far as calling tech support to see what they say and they do NOT recommend using brake cleaner. People can verify that too.

IMO u just wasted a phone call, what did u expect them to say. They also don't recommend sanding followers to make them clear the mag release button, but we know it works. They also don't recommend fling off the inside nub on the slide lock lever to allow for some bullet clearance, but we know it works. They also don't recommend the bevelinbg of the kahr 45 feed bar on the bottom of the slides as Wyn has so found a cure for, and we know it works. They will also tell u that the P380 is a great gun and that they are not having any issues with it either but we know that is also not true. There is negativity as u stated. TOTALY UNPROVEN SO FAR..

[Bawanna]

Easy Jocko, deep breathing, in with the good, out with the bad, in with the good, out with the bad. Happy thoughts of Horse Heads floating over your hammock.
We'll not mess with your thread one way or the other and if you try to delete it I'll find my way to Indy and haul all these damn horse heads back and we can start over.
While I'm there I'll tip over your Harley just for spite.

Lord forgive me I'm know I'm going down for this one.

[jocko]

probably right.

[Richardh]

I think the key is to do what you think is best for your equipment.
I just used Napa non-clorinated brake cleaner last week and all is well!

[jocko]

well said!!

[bitp]

Post prep, after every range session how should we clean?

Clean and lube as suggested in the proper prep - spray down the striker channel clean out hole, spray the metal parts in the lower, etc., and then re-lubricate as directed in the Kahr Lube Diagram? I'm thinking that is ideal, but do you always do this or do you clean the barrel and use a solvent and just brush out the slide and lower and every X rounds do a complete spray down and striker channel cleaning?

[jocko]

other than a through barrel cleaning the ol snake is simply the best anf astest to clean up the barrel and also will clean up the feed ramp. I always take the mag out of the gun and come up to the barrel from the bottom, that way I know it is cleaning the feed ramp also. I love those snake tools.

I hve had a tilo snake for my side by side for years. Does a great job..

[wm36]

other than a through barrel cleaning the ol snake is simply the best anf astest to clean up the barrel and also will clean up the feed ramp. I always take the mag out of the gun and come up to the barrel from the bottom, that way I know it is cleaning the feed ramp also. I love those snake tools.

That's a great idea! I always just feed the snake through the ejection port (on my Beretta and now my CM9). Coming up through the mag well is a great idea to get the feed ramp too. I love what you can pick up on this forum!

[bitp]

How many rounds before you do the full cleaning and re-lubrication?

[Rainman48314]

How many rounds before you do the full cleaning and re-lubrication?

I am weird in that I enjoy cleaning and knowing my gun is clean, especially since I carry more than one of mine in a rotation or as clothes dictate. I clean anything I shot more than 50 rounds through. I think there isn't any problem going 250 rounds. YMMV

[Scoundrel]

Not all that weird. If I've only fired a few rounds, I don't bother cleaning it, but after a range trip, regardless of how many shots were fired, I clean all of the ones I used. I won't break up a range session because I've reached 250 rounds, I'll fire everything I intended to fire and then go home to clean it out.

I can't remember having fired more than 300 rounds through the CM9 between cleanings, and it wasn't having any trouble firing at the end of it. It was pretty dirty though.

[Bawanna]

My PM45 when new following most of the prep in the tech section went 350 rounds in it's first session. Me and my son both gave it an exorcism and shot the devil out of it.

That was a rare thing and it hasn't happened since with any of my guns.

You can shoot a heck of alot of rounds and some seldom clean at all and they keep going but I clean every session and couple times a year for those that live in the box. Surely can't hurt and I when I have the time enjoy it too.