Trigger Jobs

[Chopprs]

Hi guys,
I have been here for a long time and finally registered cuz I wanted to see all the kewl pics!
Really kewl forum with no bantering, I like it!
I have two PM9's, a standard one and an all black one. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone here has done any trigger work. My triggers are very nice, the all black gun seems much better than the standard one. As a matter of fact the standard PM9 is wierd, it does not fire until the trigger is aaaalll the way back.
I was thinking about just polishing the trigger group's contact surfaces but am concerned that it may make the trigger too light. Has anyone here done this?
Thanx in advance...

(here is pics of my carry package)

[jlottmc]

There have been very few people that were brave enough to try to get into that frame. If you want to reduce the weight of the trigger pull, put a Wolf's 5.5 lbs striker spring in. That will help smooth things up tremendously. If it were me, I'd leave the bottom end alone. It's not hard to do a lot of damage there and do it quickly. Kahrs, have a smooth trigger, it may be long, but it is smooth. The weights I've seen were just right for a pistol with Kahr's mission in mind. Polishing the contact surfaces won't do a whole lot to bring the weight down, but will make it smoother. The other issue with polishing those contact points is this: polish makes slick, slick makes things that need to grab and catch each other less effective. If you are that concerned about the trigger on the stainless pistol, then a call to Kahr would be a great starting point. If you have an older version the plate that you would need to get to is pinned in, and not screwed in with a Torx screw. There is also a cross pin holding the trigger pivot pin in place, and I know of no way to pull that with out damage. Kahr is also known to screw straight into the polymer and not use a bushing, making that hole easy to strip, with over tightening, which would be bad (God forbid you start one to cross thread before you realize it, it happens, to even the most experienced in a moment of lax). Again, I would leave it alone on the bottom end.
Welcome to the asylum.

[jocko]

exactly what JLOTTMC said. leave the bottom alone, u can't help it harldy at all but you sure can screw things up . Kahrs triggers are super smooth and they willeveng et a tad smoother with rounds down range, The 5# striker spring Ihav eit in my PM9 andit is super. It does not shorten your trigger pull of 3/8", so it is stilla sfe carry gun. Other than that, youcan if you are eager polish wnat parts move in the slide but truthfully you won't nocitce it, un less you had a very ruff feeling slide.

I would advise leaving the lower section alone..

[jeep45238]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1cDRE0mYdY


Due to the trigger pin, I wouldn't mess a whole lot with the lower assembly. Everything you need to access in it you can access without removal.

[earle8888]

Just a thought!!!
In the good-ol-days once upon a time with S&W wheels some placed tooth paste, (plodent powder was favorite) behind the side plate and work the action thousands of times. This does polish and smooth out. BUT must be cleaned out COMPLETELY or wear will occur. I was going to do this on my PM 40, BUT it is sooooo smooth after 3500 rnds I don't need to.

[jocko]

earle, but no cavities I bet either.

[jocko]

10-4 on that. Kinda hard IMO to smooth out an already smmoth trigger system as kahrs.. I tend to think we are used to doing trigger jobs on other guns and realy feeling a difference, where as kahrs are just not that way. You might spend some quality time smoothing things but IMO unless you had one gritty ass kahr in the first place, u not gonna notice much difference.

[joshh]

my pm9 has the smoothest trigger of all my pistols except my markIII target which i suppose is quick but not really smooth. if your stainless model seems that off i'd contact kahr.
for those who've done it, that 5lb striker spring make much difference?

[tomwalshco]

I guess we can all agree that the triggers are smooth. No question. I just wish it was a little shorter.

No lectures please, but if it was just 1/8 shorter I would be much happier. Issue I have is the last fraction of an inch of pull, my trigger finger contacts my thumb, which makes me less accurate overall. Pulling with the pad of my finger rotates my whole grip clockwise - not doing it.

If I had grown up on revolver triggers, it wouldn't be an issue. But I've mostly shot autos and single action autos at that. And I don't feel like re-learning decades of shooting muscle memory.

I know it can be done with a trigger bar mod. Shorter trigger might make it a bit heavier, but that would be OK. And I'm only talking about a very short distance reduction.

Realize it's a safety and liability issue, but I'm a big boy. Kahr obviously would never bless it, like I doubt Glock blesses the 3.5# trigger, either. Loss of warranty - no biggie for me. I feel guns are like electronics - get through the 1st 1,000 rounds OK, and you're probably good to go for the duration.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the legal department at Kahr made the final decision on trigger length instead of engineering. These manufacturers have to design guns generally for the lowest common denominator if you know what I mean.

[jocko]

I have yet to see anyone do a trigger bar mod to get a shorter trigger travel. Probably could be done, but not totally sure that would produce the results wanted. Being kahrs have no safety other than the looong but smooth trigger, probably best leave well enough alone. 3/8" trigger travel for most seems to be not to such an issue.

If u can master a good double action revolver, u can master the kahr trigger..

Being kahr makes the PM9 now with a manual safety, one might think they would have made the trigger travel shorter, if that was indeed their intentions in the firstplace. They didn't so I do feel they wanted the 3/8 pull. TRhe frist kahrs made had the 1/2" trigger in them, so I guess we can say they shortened it a tad..

[tomwalshco]

I'd be tickled if it was 3/8". But the bottom of my finger moves 3/4", at least 3/16" of that is takeup.

Somebody will design and stamp some out and will sell a ton of them, I'll wager.... I'd buy 4.

[jocko]

If one takes the slide off and pulls the trigger back slowly, there really is very little slop/play in the kahr trigger system. I thinik what seems like play is just the over all smoothness of the kahr trigger system.. Being that kahrs are basically maybe 20%or less in a pre-cocked position, the trigger system is longer than some of the other striker fired guns like glocks,which are probably 50% or more pre cocked and the Smith M & P which to me seem even more pre-cocked, but both have some sort of a trigger safety on them where as kahrs is just the long smooth trigger.No doubt I would shoot a much shorter trigger better but just not sure I would want to pocket carry it then either. Kahrs are not going to win any target shoots, but I do think they can win their share of gun battles...

It might be just me to,k but if a person thinks he is going to buy a kahr and shoot it as good as a 1911 or a nicely tuned Glock, then I think most will be very unhappy with the end results.

[jeep45238]

It might be just me to,k but if a person thinks he is going to buy a kahr and shoot it as good as a 1911 or a nicely tuned Glock, then I think most will be very unhappy with the end results.

Nah, I shot my T40 as good as my 1911 - on it's first outing. At the time, I had shot over 15K rounds through my 1911.

[jocko]

ur not the norm. You are a good shooter. Just going by most al lthe reports on this forum and others, Most kahr owners do't shoot them as good as 1911's or a nice glock.

I am not a good shooter and basing it on even my resutls. I shoot my glock 5X better than either rof my two kahrs. I attribute that to the trigger system,not the lact of quality

[High Altitude]

I don't mind the initial long trigger, I just wish it had a short reset for follow up shots.

I have spent so many years shooting Glocks and DA/SA Sigs that I am not sure I am going to be able to get used to the long trigger reset.