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I've slingshotted my new CM9 after the break in period a few times without a problem...I know that it isn't supposed to be done like this possibly causing unreliable feeding...My question is this...What is it that possibly prevents it from feeding correctly when slingshotting? Is it the mag itself,or the angle of the feed ramp ? Is there a technical answer to this?...I saw on youtube a guy using promags w/ his PM9 and he stated that solved the issue...Is that just youtube baloney...forgive the questions on this as I'm sure this has probably been discussed here before... I'm just trying to understand this function..
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nothing wrong in slingshooting the slide to load that first round or to do the tap, rack and bang thng. The reason kahr recommends using the slide lock lever to load that first round is that most will agree, kahrs are tight, kahrs have stiff recoil springs, that combination makes for many a harder time to sling shot a slide properly. Using the slide lock lever to load that first round releases that slidelock lever EVERY TIME with the same needed velocity to load that first round. If you can do it both ways with ease, go for it. Nothing wrong in that at all.Originally posted by joe d View Post
I at first had a hard time hand racking my PM9 but after the gun and I got to know each other better and the gun itself smoothed out, I can hand rack withy ease. I do it both ways. MyP380 was a real ***** for me to hand rack, I often complained about it evenon the P380 forum. but after awhile the gun smoothed out and I guess I got better at hand racking it to. For it works both ways perfectly now.. My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border
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Might just be me but I think a captive dual spring recoil assembly makes a gun harder to hand rack and we seem to find that on smallass guns. kahrs have a good reputation of being tight and a tight gun over a sloppy gun is normally harder to hand rack.. My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border
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That's how I see it too. Stating use of the release lever in the manual lowers the "human snafu failure rate". Not everyone, especially new shooters, are accustomed to aggressively racking the slide.Maybe it also has to do with the short slide/strong recoil springJudging by today's left wing, looks like Senator Joe McCarthy was right after all.Comment
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Riding the slide.Originally posted by joe d View Post
I slingshot ALL my Kahrs without issue. Handle like a hammer (the tool it is) and it will work fine.Kahr...Release the hound!Comment
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I agree with all of the above, but have a different slant on the "why." If one can pull the slide ALL the way back AND release it cleanly from that point, it mimics the slide lock. So Kahr could have said learn to hand rack and it is okay. Problem is they are dealing with human nature.
The slide serrations are sharp and I for one found it difficult to let the slide loose while I had my skin folded over the razor edge. I wanted to relax my grip on the slide then let go, but that's a fail. The Kahr is a very short gun that needs all of the rack to compress the recoil spring enough to chamber the next round.
To do it right, you need to use an overhand grip on the slide at the rear serrations so that your hand pushes from the muzzle to the breach and squeeze it between the meaty part (heal?) of your thumb and fingers.
Now with a good grip, enthusiastically and with great vigor slam the slide back and concurrently push the gun forward toward the target. Your grip should still be on the slide when the motion rips your hand off it. Someone said your hand should be going for your armpit without pause. The pushing your gun toward the target while racking also gets it back on target faster for the next shot.
I'm not going to say it's impossible to pull the slide and release it from behind the gun, but unless you practice that and are proficient with it it is not recommended. The point is the slide has to be totally against the back stops when released. Many think it is but in fact ride the slide forward even a millimeter and blame the gun. It's not the gun but is the driver.•"Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end." - O. L.
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hand over the slide is the only way to rack a kahr and get away with it. Now my G19, is so easy I think I can grab it with my teeth and rack it, but fokk up with a kahr and it will bite u.. some guns arejust easier to rack PERIOD. Kahrs IMO are not one of them... My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border
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FWIW, same thing with the CW45. Hard to slingshot at first, but then it is ok and now it is like any other of my pistols.Comment
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One thing not mentioned, is that there is precious little over-travel in the slide upon its rearward movement. It has "just enough" room to pickup that fresh round. So little room, there's that bevel on the breechface that allows things to slide forward when inserting a magazine on an open slide.
A full size 1911 has damn near a half inch of over-travel... which also translates to more cartridge rise time, and greater leeway in functioning. The Kahr PM45... has a few mm's of over-travel, and the timing of things is much more precise, with much less room for variance in slide movement.Comment
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great responses and info... I thank you all !Comment
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Recognizing that a gunfight is extremely rare, and the need to load a new mag in the course of a gunfight, even more rare, it still seems a significant problem when all training teaches the slingshot. There's a lot of extra time to lock back the slide. I find that a mag needs to be inserted or its incredibily hard to catch the lock and keep it back.
If you get a stove pipe or a dead round in the middle of a fight, what are you supposed to do then? Are you seriously supposed to drop the mag, rack to remove the round, lock back, reload mag, and use the slide release???Comment
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Rain, heaven forbid that it happens, but that's exactly what you are supposed to do if it does. If you are staring the BG in the eyeball you are in some serious stuff, but they don't always shoot straight either and the first hits may be survivable.
Of course if faced by 6 or 7 Fresno Policemen you are likely going to be okay. The last big shootout I read about they had a man with a pistol standing in his doorway and when he pointed it at them they poured something like 86 rounds and may have hit him once. They hit all over the front of his house, the house next door, and even a parked car. No they weren't 100 feet away, but within 20 yards. Point is you never give up in a gunfight. So practice the clearing drill.•"Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end." - O. L.
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Originally posted by kpm9 View Post
Yep, what he said.The only thing better than having all the guns and ammo you'd ever need would be being able to shoot it all off the back porch.
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Since my PM9 got a couple of hundred rounds through it, it slingshots just fine. However due to arthritis and a badly healed broken finger I use the knuckles of my index and middle fingers to grip the slide rather than index and thumb. Works just fine.
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I pretty much ignored Kahr's recommendation and hand racked all of mine, even during break in. I never had the first problem.Comment
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