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  • Bar-Dot Alignment

    Hey All,

    I just got back from some trigger play, and I'm LOVING the rear bar sight on the CW9. I'm previously used to the three-dot sights on my K9.

    How do all you experienced bar-dot shooters align your sights?

    My best groups were when lining up the very top of the front sight with the very top of the rear sight (not "dotting" the i, but covering it). The range was packed, so we were shooting at 15yds, and I was extremely satisfied with my new CW!!
    BLAP! BLAP! BLAP! :33:

  • #2
    That's the way I line them up too, with tops of the sights aligned. I don't use the top of the dot... or the post. They're for quick general alignment.


    I only have the P40 with those sights... until I can find better. I want the new Trijicon HD NS, but they don't make them for Kahrs... yet, I'm hoping, though. I have the 3-dot NS on all the rest of my defensive pistols and the HD NS on my XD45... fantastic!

    Wynn
    USAF Retired '88, NRA Life Member. Wife USAF Retired '96
    Avatar: Wynn re-enlists his wife Desiree, circa 1988 Loring AFB, ME. 42nd BMW, Heavy (SAC) B-52G's
    Frédéric Bastiat’s essay, The Law: http://mises.org/books/thelaw.pdf

    Thomas Jefferson said

    “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”
    and

    "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".

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    • #3
      Of course since it's been asked I don't really know. With both of my pistols I put the front sight on target and squeeze the trigger. Not much else I can say. LoL. But I do really like the bar-dot sights on Kahrs. Quick and easy acquisition.

      I'd like to put them on my XDM but I really like the red fiber optic on the 5.25 XDM too.

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      • #4
        Yup, the bar sights are awesome for quick alignment. It would be nice to have the Trijicon HD or the Truglo Fiber Optic as a front sight for the CW line.

        I'm noticing significantly tighter groups with the bar sight compared to the groups with my three-dot sights on my K9.
        BLAP! BLAP! BLAP! :33:

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        • #5
          I went from the origional factory sights to Trijicon 3 dot night sights both front and rear on my CM9. I really liked the factory sights and I was VERY accurate with them. But, in my mind, the plastic front had to go. I was afraid I'd lose my tight groups when I switched. I was wrong. I'm getting 2.5"-3" groups with 50 rounds into the target at 15 yards. I shoot the CM better than any other handgun I own. My conclusion is, "It's the gun not the sights." I have not taken a picture of any of my targets recently. However, here are 2 pic's I posted somewhere in the forum before... 50 rounds at 15 yards. BTW, I do practice at self defense distance 3 and 5 yards. But it makes me more all around confident to have good results from further back. The more challenging I make it, the easier it is when it is less challenging.

          50 Rounds, 15 yards, Trijicon 3 dot night sights


          50 Rounds, 15 yards, Trijicon 3 dot night sights
          Notables:
          Kimber Custom II 1911 .45 ACP ("How sweet it is")
          Kahr CM9 9mm - Trijicon night sights, Wolff 5# striker spring
          Glock 19 Gen 3 9mm - Meprolight night sights, BTGuiderod stainless steel captured guide rod, Ghost Ranger trigger connector, Vickers mag release
          Taurus 85 Stainless Steel .38 Special
          1977 Smith & Wesson 19-4 2.5" .357 Magnum - Wolff springs, Professional trigger job
          1955 Hi-Standard Sentinel R-100 .22lr
          1958 Marlin Golden 39-A Mountie .22lr
          Norinco SKS 7.62x39

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          • #6
            WOW!!!! Awesome target.
            sigpic
            Sold all my guns. I dislike firearms.
            NRA Life Member
            NRA Certified Range Safety Officer
            That notch in the rail is supposed to be there

            "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
            --Thomas Jefferson (1764).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tinman507 View Post
              WOW!!!! Awesome target.
              Thanks! Two different targets at separate range trips. Different ranges too.
              Notables:
              Kimber Custom II 1911 .45 ACP ("How sweet it is")
              Kahr CM9 9mm - Trijicon night sights, Wolff 5# striker spring
              Glock 19 Gen 3 9mm - Meprolight night sights, BTGuiderod stainless steel captured guide rod, Ghost Ranger trigger connector, Vickers mag release
              Taurus 85 Stainless Steel .38 Special
              1977 Smith & Wesson 19-4 2.5" .357 Magnum - Wolff springs, Professional trigger job
              1955 Hi-Standard Sentinel R-100 .22lr
              1958 Marlin Golden 39-A Mountie .22lr
              Norinco SKS 7.62x39

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              • #8
                I can do that!!! I just hate to waste good targets though, so I tend to aim at a target like that but shoot way off to the side of the target. U see I am a card carrying "conservative"
                . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                • #9
                  Jocko, you're just being "Green"

                  "Save a tree, Miss the target"

                  sigpic
                  Sold all my guns. I dislike firearms.
                  NRA Life Member
                  NRA Certified Range Safety Officer
                  That notch in the rail is supposed to be there

                  "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
                  --Thomas Jefferson (1764).

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                  • #10
                    There is nothing wrong with using "all the paper." LOL
                    Notables:
                    Kimber Custom II 1911 .45 ACP ("How sweet it is")
                    Kahr CM9 9mm - Trijicon night sights, Wolff 5# striker spring
                    Glock 19 Gen 3 9mm - Meprolight night sights, BTGuiderod stainless steel captured guide rod, Ghost Ranger trigger connector, Vickers mag release
                    Taurus 85 Stainless Steel .38 Special
                    1977 Smith & Wesson 19-4 2.5" .357 Magnum - Wolff springs, Professional trigger job
                    1955 Hi-Standard Sentinel R-100 .22lr
                    1958 Marlin Golden 39-A Mountie .22lr
                    Norinco SKS 7.62x39

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                    • #11
                      I have this pic. Here I still had the factory sights. Outdoor range at 23 feet. I call it, "One and Done." I unpacked all my stuff. Set up my target. Fired my first shot and this was the result. I figured it was nothing but down hill from here. So, I called it a day, pack up and went home with a smile on my face.

                      23ft, Origional factory CM9 Sights.
                      Notables:
                      Kimber Custom II 1911 .45 ACP ("How sweet it is")
                      Kahr CM9 9mm - Trijicon night sights, Wolff 5# striker spring
                      Glock 19 Gen 3 9mm - Meprolight night sights, BTGuiderod stainless steel captured guide rod, Ghost Ranger trigger connector, Vickers mag release
                      Taurus 85 Stainless Steel .38 Special
                      1977 Smith & Wesson 19-4 2.5" .357 Magnum - Wolff springs, Professional trigger job
                      1955 Hi-Standard Sentinel R-100 .22lr
                      1958 Marlin Golden 39-A Mountie .22lr
                      Norinco SKS 7.62x39

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                      • #12
                        Nice to see someone shooting who understands sight alignment and trigger control. Your targets look a lot like mine. CM9s are very accurate little guns.
                        Never trust anyone who doesn't trust you to own a gun.

                        Life Member - NRA
                        Colt Gold Cup 70 series
                        Colt Woodsman
                        Ruger Mark III .22-45
                        Kahr CM9
                        Kahr P380

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                        • #13
                          I like to see holes appear, so I use all of the paper. Putting them in the same hole gets boring!

                          But, DANG! Did you use a machine rest?? That's terrific shooting, Markis'.

                          Wynn
                          USAF Retired '88, NRA Life Member. Wife USAF Retired '96
                          Avatar: Wynn re-enlists his wife Desiree, circa 1988 Loring AFB, ME. 42nd BMW, Heavy (SAC) B-52G's
                          Frédéric Bastiat’s essay, The Law: http://mises.org/books/thelaw.pdf

                          Thomas Jefferson said

                          “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”
                          and

                          "Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading".

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by wyntrout View Post
                            That's the way I line them up too, with tops of the sights aligned. I don't use the top of the dot... or the post. They're for quick general alignment.
                            Yep, you and Wynn have it right. The straight edges of your sights should always be used if you can see them. If you can't then the white markings or tritium should be used. I find 2 dots on the rear sight unnecessarily busy and prefer the single post that Kahr and Sig use. On my defensive Glocks I get 3 dot Ameriglo Operator sights where the rear sight only has tritium, no white markings.

                            I just put a Dawson Precision tritium front sight on my CM9 and it works well with the factory rear sight.

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                            • #15
                              I know Jocko likes those one shot groups!
                              Very interesting...

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