XS Big Dot - front only. Sight picture?

[pudge]

Guys,

Thanks for the positive comments on my comments. But I tend to feel that most here are pretty common sense guys, and that most here will think about somebody posts to sort out the BS and crap from the stuff that might be worthwhile. Anybody can post anything on the net, and you don't know anything about me for sure, so I encourage you to think about anything I say for a while and see if your BS meter goes off. I've been wrong before, a lot! And usually when I'm wrongest is when I said something out loud the loudest!

There is potentially a lot to learn here on the net, and some of of it is learning what NOT to do! Ultimately you ... each of us ... has to decide if what we read or hear somebody saying is worth trying or doing. The very last thing in the world I want to do is lead somebody astray or down the wrong road. But be careful ... it might happen. That's why I always say that this is what I do, this is what has worked for me. And I do not mind critical comments or disagreements with what I've said. They are worth listening to and thinking about since I could be in need of rethinking something. And I might just find out something I don't know. I'm pretty opinionated and fairly certain of what I do and what I think about things, but I also try to keep an open mind. My old daddy used to tell me to learn from the mistakes of others since there was no way I would ever live long enough to make them all myself! He was right ... good advice!

I appreciate you guys letting me put what I think down here on paper. It kinda gets it out where I can see it myself and I may even change my mind about it after I read it over or hear what you have to say about it. There are a lot of folks with more experience and knowledge than me, and I appreciate being exposed here to all your comments about things that are discussed here. We gotta keep learning and getting better if we can. If you ain't living, then you are dying!!

[KCAutoBob]

I think Pudge is "spot-on" here....

I've been considering what to do about the standard sights on my PM9, and this thread's contributions, especially Pudge's input, is really interesting for me. Pudge's Wilson 1911 sight set-up is the same as what I did with a Browning Hi-Power for low light conditions. And reading his description of point shooting set-up, I found it to be really interesting. Basically my experience leads me to think the gun's entire profile is utilized in "point" or "instinctive" shooting. What sights? Basically at high speed, high stress, and close range, sights just might really slow you down. But at some point, you determine the distance, I think sights come back into the picture, so to speak, and more and more I'm thinking this X-S Big Dot sight system, which was originally developed from express type rifle sights, is the answer that I'm looking for.

[scattershot]

This is a rear sight that I "hogged out" on a Glock. A few minutes with a 1/4" file is all it took, and you can really pick up that sight picture. I've been thinking of doing this to my CW45, as well, with the addition of a Big Dot..

[magtf388]

Any Pic of the Big Dots on a PM9?? Please post if you have...

thanks much

[wyntrout]

Scattershot, that looks like a good way to go. I might get my Kahr rear sight and and make sort of a "half-Ghost-ring" rear like that. I don't like the low vee that came with my Big Dots for my P40 and shoot low with them when I try to shoot "instinctively"... about 4 inches or more lower than with 3-dot sights with 7 yards. I'll have to try that. The XS rear is easily moved and I have a sight pusher for the rear.

Maybe that will put my Mag-na-ported P40 back into the #1 EDC position! I haven't carried it since getting the Big Dots, but I've been to the range 4-5 times and practiced with the LaserLyte training cartridge at home.

Wynn

[dorangolv]

Wagon,

I'm a senior, with commensurate eyesight, or lack thereof. I have a big dot on my P45. It happens to have the "V" notch rear sight as well. But it's my experience that if you hold that big dot right on the spot you want your bullet to hit with any rear sight anywhere near lined up with that big dot, your honeydew will be leaking honey! For those of us whose eyesight is deteriorating, focus on the front sight is becoming a thing of the past, and even if you can see the front sight pretty well, seeing daylight on either side of it through the rear sight is likely not a doable thing, especially for precision shooting.

Minute of bad guy is different from precision shooting. Yes, we need to hit close to where we aim, and we need to aim for a good spot, but sit that honeydew (or a small paper plate) up in front of you at ranges from bad breath distance out to about 7 yards. Take a good grip and hold on your handgun, put that front sight on the target center, don't worry much about where the rear sight is, and press the trigger and see what happens. The truth is that if you put your front sight where you want to hit at SD ranges usually involved, and press the trigger two or three or four times without jerking or yanking the trigger, you'll get the job done pretty well. Look out over the top of your handgun, and if you can see the gun pointing at the target at these distances with the front sight held where you want it, you will be good to go!

In my experience, that Big Dot sight is the best I've ever had for this kind of shooting. I would say you can use it just fine with your standard rear sight. Put it on paper with the dot lined up so you can see it well above the rear sight notch and see where it hits. Truth is, when the SHTF, most of us won't see either front or rear sight. We are going to be focused on the threat!! If you notice that Big Dot while doing so, all the better!! And you are more likely to see the Big Dot than any other front sight, IMO.

For my P45 I want the XS 24/7 Sights with Tritium for front and rear. Is that what you have on your P45?

[PYROhafe]

Wagon, I have a non illuminated xs rear site ill let go for super cheap. Xs sent me the wrong one when my illuminated went out. If your interested in going that route send me a pm and we can work out the details. I love my big dot on my cm9 btw.

[Bill K]

I do most all my SD practice threat focused. I suspect the big dot, even if just the front sight, once gotten used to would prove an asset.

[wyntrout]

I have a set of Trijicon coming in from our Marketplace and plan to replace that Tritium Low-Vee rear sight with the Trijicon 2-dot and see what that looks like. If I need to open up the rear notch a bit to make it wider... without harming the Tritium vials... I'll do that. I just can't get used to to that Low-Vee and can't "instinctively" shoot with it.

I hope that works and then I'll have a Tritium Low-Vee sight that I don't need. That's another project for after my Garage Sale/Home Gun Show this Friday and Saturday. I put an ad in the Times Union Thursday through Saturday, online version, too.

I really want to recoup some of the money I have spent since Thanksgiving! Today is peak delivery day... got 4 packages Monday, one yesterday and most should come today... another 7-8... all kinds of stuff. Got my two sets of roller chains for my AWD Savana Van yesterday... gonna be in snow country for about 3 weeks... SW Colorado. I don't know if we'll come back through Wolf Creek Pass, though!

Wynn

[cigarrodog]

In the dark, in a personal defense situation, on the back is secondary to what's on the front when it come's to Bid Dot on the front(if the sight is used at all). My Big Dot on the G26 is very bright.

[dorangolv]

"I've got a Wilson 1911. It has two tiny amber tritium dots on either side of the rear sight notch. The front sight has a larger green regular sized tritium dot. I can make that work pretty well. But I still much prefer the Big Dot on my Kahr. As I've said elsewhere, I also have the "V" notch rear sight with the tritium post in the center. That works very well for a more precision shot, if you've got the time to use it. If you don't have the time, just the big dot up front gets it done."

"I have a set of Trijicon coming in from our Marketplace and plan to replace that Tritium Low-Vee rear sight... "

I want my P45 set up with the XS 24/7 Tritium front and rear. Can't seem to nail down the proper part number, though. Every time I search, I find Tritium front with the non-Tritium rear "V" painted post.
Which one did you get?

[gb6491]

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I want my P45 set up with the XS 24/7 Tritium front and rear. Can't seem to nail down the proper part number, though. Every time I search, I find Tritium front with the non-Tritium rear "V" painted post.
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Kahr Tritium front and rear (Except E, CM & CW):
KA-0002S-5 is the item number for the 24/7 Big Dot Tritium Express Set
KA-0002S-6 is for the 24/7 Standard Dot Tritium Express Set

Kahr Tritium front/rear white stripe (Except E, CM & CW):
KA-0002S-3 is for the Big Dot Tritium Express Set - White Stripe
KA-0002S-4 is for the Standard Dot Tritium Express Set - White Stripe

[gb6491]

Wynn made an excellent post about using a two dot rear sight (some OEM rear sight info as well) with an XS big Dot front on his P40 here:
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=18306&page=3
Regards,
Greg