New CW45

[270win]

I'm new to Khar, I have been looking for a small 45 to conceal. I've been carrying a Glock 30 which is considerably heavier and wider. Since I'm planning to carry this gun all the time I'm hoping it will be as reliable as my 30 has been. I know there's a 200 round break-in period, so today my wife and I went to the range to shoot several of our pistols and the AK47.

I put about 100 rounds through the Khar, but there were quite a few jams, actually it jammed 11 times in all. 7 jams were ejector related and 4 were feed ramp jams. We were shooting PMC 230gr ball ammo, but we shot two clips of defense ammo, Cor-Bon +P230gr, it jammed with either ammo consistently.

Now I realize that this is the break in period, but I have to admit I'm a bit concerned because I'm planning to carry this pistol daily.

On the plus side, it's a deadly accurate pistol that points very well. Recoil is no issue at all even with +P ammo. I also really like the way it carries. The trigger is amazingly smooth, but I can't tell when the break is coming. I'm sure it's because I'm used to the Glock trigger which has a defined break point in the trigger pull.

Over all I like the gun, the jamming issue is my only concern, but I have to admit it's a big concern. The Glock will be in the holster tomorrow, but I hope to change that soon.

Any input from those with more Khar experience is welcome and appreciated!

[wyntrout]

The .45's don't have as much room in the area between the chamber and the breech face and things can not work as they should. There's a good link to look at that covers most of this stuff. Maybe something will look familiar:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14749

Wynn

[270win]

The .45's don't have as much room in the area between the chamber and the breech face and things can not work as they should. There's a good link to look at that covers most of this stuff. Maybe something will look familiar:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14749

Wynn

Yes, the FTE pic looked familiar...so is this to be expected? Because this is not something I expect from a new pistol. There seem to be a lot of fixes for these pistols.

While I greatly appreciate the link, I'm not working on a new pistol, I'll finish the break in and video the jams so I can send it back to Khar. If they can't make it work then I'll sell it and find something else. I'd hate to do that but I can't carry or trust a weapon that doesn't function properly all the time.

I'll let you know how the next 100 rounds do tomorrow. It's still in the break-in period so I'm not making a judgement call just yet.

[jocko]

while ur testing it out, let anutter shooter try the gun also. see if he can duplicate ur issues..

[wyntrout]

That was a collection of problems and not what everyone should expect. I figured that your problem(s) would be among those... things to look for.

Most of my Kahrs have had one or more problems, but between kahrtalk and Kahr, I was able to resolve them all and my pistols are what I want for CCW... the most compact and ergonomic in my opinion.

Wynn

[270win]

That was a collection of problems and not what everyone should expect. I figured that your problem(s) would be among those... things to look for.

Most of my Kahrs have had one or more problems, but between kahrtalk and Kahr, I was able to resolve them all and my pistols are what I want for CCW... the most compact and ergonomic in my opinion.

Wynn

I figured they weren't all to be expected. And I appreciate the link and the effort to help get this thing working properly.

I like the ergonomics for sure and hope to CCW mine as well.

I guess the question is, why doesn't Khar just make these pistols to work right out of the box?

[yqtszhj]

I have a CW45 and mine runs good now after the breakin.

Make sure that you did/do the initial clean, prep, and lube of a new Kahr in the new member area if you didn't already. http://kahrtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=56

clean it up and lube it real good and it should run better next time. PMC ball should work OK. I shoot it all the time. Let us know how it goes.

[newCW45guy]

You said PMC ball.. I assume that's round nose not truncated flat nose. Round nose and more tapered HPs feed better.

I'd suggest two things

1) take the mag apart and make sure the spring is inserted properly. The follower should be pointed up not down.

2) Squeeze the grip like your life depended on it. This gun is light and will not tolerate anything but a death grip. I had some issues at the beginning and added Traction Grips http://www.tractiongrips.com/catalog/c10_p1.html Seems to have improved my rapid 2nd shot feeding.

I'm 350 rounds in and the only issue is shooting from the hip seems like I'm limp wristing it and does still cause problems. I'm still concerned about that issue.

I see no need for +P for the .45... 230grs packs plenty of punch at standard velocity.

Currently carrying Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel which is designed for short barrels. I might try the Glaser Powerball though. If they reduce recoil at all that might be my carry round.

[270win]

I have a CW45 and mine runs good now after the breakin.

Make sure that you did/do the initial clean, prep, and lube of a new Kahr in the new member area if you didn't already. http://kahrtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=56

clean it up and lube it real good and it should run better next time. PMC ball should work OK. I shoot it all the time. Let us know how it goes.

I found that link and will clean and lube it before I shoot it later today.

So I'm wondering, if the CW45 gets dirt in it will it tend to FTF like a 1911?

[270win]

You said PMC ball.. I assume that's round nose not truncated flat nose. Round nose and more tapered HPs feed better.

I'd suggest two things

1) take the mag apart and make sure the spring is inserted properly. The follower should be pointed up not down.

2) Squeeze the grip like your life depended on it. This gun is light and will not tolerate anything but a death grip. I had some issues at the beginning and added Traction Grips http://www.tractiongrips.com/catalog/c10_p1.html Seems to have improved my rapid 2nd shot feeding.

I'm 350 rounds in and the only issue is shooting from the hip seems like I'm limp wristing it and does still cause problems. I'm still concerned about that issue.

I see no need for +P for the .45... 230grs packs plenty of punch at standard velocity.

Currently carrying Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel which is designed for short barrels. I might try the Glaser Powerball though. If they reduce recoil at all that might be my carry round.

I think the ammo is a personal preference, I use +P with the 45ACP because I want good penetration. We tried some Glaser Powerball in my wife's Glock 19 yesterday and it was really hot ammo! 1450fps compared to 1100 fps with Hornady Critical Duty. She preferred the Hornady.

I tend to use a pretty tight dominant hand grip, my wife was holding it so tight she had grip marks on her hand. It jammed with both of us.


I'll see how it shoots later today and post the results here.

[wyntrout]

+P in short barreled pistols as Kahrs, can help with expansion and penetration... OR, use the Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel round for carry. This ammo is designed to function with better expansion and penetration in short-barreled pistols. I use the Short Barrel version in 9mm, .40, and .45. There isn't one for .380, so I use the +P 90-gr Gold Dots by Buffalo Bore, and soon as I check them for function... the Underwood +P .380 Gold Dots. I prefer bonded bullets with a good reputation for performance. I also have Underwood +P 230-gr Gold Dots... still need to function test those in my .45's, and this will be the first +P .45 that I've shot in my present pistols, but it's what's available after much searching online at $34 a box of 50.

Wynn

[270win]

okay, well I've stripped, prepped and lubed the pistol. I'm heading to the range to burn another 100+ rounds through it to see what happens.

I noticed on stripping and cleaning that the gun shows minimal wear considering the number of rounds put through it yesterday.

I really hope it works out, I love the way the gun feels in my hand!

[270win]

It jammed 10 times and I shot 150 rounds through it. 3ftf and 7fte.

Anyone wanna buy a CW45 with 250 rounds through it???

[jocko]

u did not state if u let anutter decent shooter try the gun to see ifhe can duplicate ur issues.... Just sayin

[270win]

I took lots of pics that I'll post later this evening...I will say this though, it's a delay accurate pistol!!! I have a pic of the target too. In 250 rounds I've quickly grown to like the trigger on this pistol...a lot!