CW380....honest pocket gun discussion

[BADGER]

Fellas -

Yes, I've searched (and found). I've read. I've heard all sides. But I want to approach the mouse gun question from a different angle.

I have a P9 and P45 that make the rotation as my EDC. Although I have a pocket holster for the P9, I don't use it and carry IWB. It occurred to me that I'm really missing a mouse gun I can slip into my pocket for early morning dog walks, biking, etc. Something truly tiny and light that I don't have to 'suit up' for.

Obviously I love Kahr for carry guns. I love the design and build quality. That being said, I have first hand experience with them being hit-and-miss. My P9 has been stone-cold accurate and reliable since round one. My P45 was a mess from the factory, with an incorrect rifling leade that made every round fail to go into battery and ejection a crap shoot. No way the thing was fired/QC'd at the factory. It's been back and now it's fine.

So I would consider the CW380 a roll of the dice. Then again, I would also consider the LCP and P3AT a roll of the dice. Reliability problems seem inherent to some degree in these guns. I do understand that the LCP and P3AT and fairly miserable to shoot, but the Kahr like their other calibers is just fine (internet wisdom here, no personal experience, but widely reported).

What I'm getting at...is it really worth NOT buying the cheapest option, the P3AT, when who the heck knows what you're really going to get? Does it make sense to carry a mouse gun at all instead of a taser or spray, especially considering possible reliability issues and the severe limitations of the .380 round out of a 2.5 inch barrel?

Discuss please...

[XDGenerate]

I've got a CM9 in my pocket right now. I rotate from there to an OWB holster. Either works great. I know you were talking 380 but this is just another option.

[XDGenerate]

Oh, and I absolutely hate Kel-Tec guns. Hunks of junk in my opinion. My uncle has one right now that has been in for FTF problems 3 times.. They are not offering a new gun and it has the same issues every time he gets it back. Not worth the pain.

[jocko]

oh contrare

Oh, and I absolutely hate Kel-Tec guns. Hunks of junk in my opinion. My uncle has one right now that has been in for FTF problems 3 times.. They are not offering a new gun and it has the same issues every time he gets it back. Not worth the pain.

myu 3kelteks went back a total of 16 times,ur uncle has a ways to go, IMO

[XDGenerate]

So what you're saying is, They are true quality firearms worth trusting your life to.. lol

[jocko]

oh definitely, back when I went through all that sh!t with my kel teks, they were the only gamme on the block. as soon as runger came out with their kel teck copy I knew it would be a gun that worked and then even they had to recall 50K of them as they copied to uch of kel teks crappy design and had to redue them. But the Ruger was just a much better finished gun and once they got their bugs out of it I wouldhave trusted that gun for sure. I was just not a pleasant gun to shoot IMO but most all of these sub, micro guns are not pleasant. Nuttin tohold on to. My P380 gave some issues and had to go back but of allthe 380's I have owned it was by far the most accurate and the most fun to shoot. I gave it to my son for my pMJ9 can go damn near anywhere the P380 did and I trust the PMJ9 far more than my P380. plus it is allabout fire power to.

[JFootin]

You're missing the best alternative to the CW380: the Taurus 738 TCP. It has a slide lock and locks back on the last round, and it has a smooth, light trigger that I like better than the Kahr trigger because it has a dependable stage near the end of travel so I can take up the slack, refine my aim and then fire. I haven't priced the P3AT, but my TCP is the plain blued version and I got it for well under $200. I have found it to be a quality firearm and, BTW, it has a lifetime warranty.

[Bill K]

The .380, IMHO, is capable of saving your butt [PM sent]. That being said I much prefer to pocket carry my PM9 over my P3AT.

[kcs1]

Take a look at a Masterpiece Arms Protector 380. All steel (but only about 13 oz. loaded), same size as a Seecamp, decent trigger, reliable and can be bought for about $300.00 or less.

[hardluk1]

I carry my cm9 as a pocket pistol and iwb from a pair of larger kahrs but the taurus TCP maybe the best dollar spent for a micro 380 when something smaller is needed. We have 2 of them and both are more than accurate for there size and seem to shoot everthing I have tried in them. Trigger is better than kahrs at 4lb's and is a DA type trigger also weight is under 10oz

[BADGER]

Got me there - I forgot all about the TCP738. I've always liked those, and I hear a whole lot of good things about them. That may be the answer. Thanks for reminding me about those. The Truth About Guns site has a recent review of one and its basically glowing. Those guys pull no punches either.

Do you know offhand if the 738 is +P rated? I'd like to get as much mustard as is reasonably possible behind that round.

[gunshinestateCW9]

CW380....honest pocket gun discussion

I have an LCP that I cc a lot. It's not fun at the range(not y I bought it) but it has been 100% reliable for me. It's by far the easiest to conceal thus being easiest to carry. GL

[dirtkicker]

Take a look at a Masterpiece Arms Protector 380. All steel (but only about 13 oz. loaded), same size as a Seecamp, decent trigger, reliable and can be bought for about $300.00 or less.

I have been interested in one of these myself. Do you have firsthand experience with one?

[dirtkicker]

In regards to the origional post. I have owned a Ruger LCP and while it was reliable I couldn't shoot it worth a darn. The trigger pull is a mile long and I could never get used to it. I traded it for a DB380 which was a sweet shooter, when it actually functioned. I ended up trading it in on a Kahr CM9 which has proven to be totally reliable and a very accurate shooter. I will not be trading it. However, that being said I find it too big for my pocket. I was pretty set on a Taurus TCP but now Beretta is coming out with the Pico. http://www.berettausa.com/products/beretta-pico-380/ The MPA 380 interests me also. Lots of choices.

[kwh]

Just another thought from a different angle. Dog walks, I am more concerned being attacked by a dog than a person. Personally I would not be confident that a 90 gr. H.P. from a .380 would have the penetration needed for a 100 pound Rottweiler. I would rather have pepper spray or a larger /heavier bullet. On a bicycle= different story.