CW9 Mag not dropping free

[QuietMan]

I had the same problem with mine when I first got it...I put 200 rounds through it on the first range session and the mag almost drop free. Inside the mag well there are a couple of ribs that need to be broken in or filed down if you are in a big hurry.

[OldLincoln]

You could take the magazine tube and lightly smoke it with a candle so you can see where you need to sand after inserting it into the well, and withdrawing it.

Damn it, Wynn, I did what you said and nearly shot my hand off when that round exploded!!!!! I didn't have a candle so I thought the propane torch would do as good.

Of course I'm pulling your avatar's pretty leg. I did explode a 22 cartridge when a kid tho, I wondered what would happen if I hit it with a hammer - nothin - so I wondered what would happen if I hit it again - and again (about 10 times) - then it fired and took a small nick out of my leg. So then I knew what happens and never did it again. Well except for the time I set off a 38 cartridge with a BB gun. Trick is to dent the primer with initial shots until one finally makes it go boom.

[wyntrout]

Dang! I never hit a live bullet with a hammer. I set a .22 on a board with the base hanging out and put a birthday candle under the base, lit the candle, and moved at least 3 feet away. The bullet won't do much, but the case ruptures and takes off... somewhere. Shoulda done it inside and seen where the case went.
I did have a chemistry set when I was 12... a real one... no PC tame crap. You might can guess my favorite chemicals and substances... potassium nitrate, sulfur, and powdered charcoal! That stuff is fun. I could buy refills at the drugstore... bigger bottles! Yeehaw!
Another combo was iron filings or powdered iron and sulfuric acid, I think... makes hydrogen gas... which is a gas! It burns pretty well.
A chemistry set today would be pretty boring... probably nothing as strong as baking soda and vinegar.
I tried to make a rocket using a used CO2 cartridge filled with my gunpowder... put it on a little piece of wood with wheels added... used one of those electric igniters for rockets as a fuze. It was kind of impressive... lot's of smoke and flame... right up to the BOOM... made a better hand grenade than rocket... put a dent in concrete road.
I've always like things that go boom... like my PM45 "Boomer".
Wynn

OOPS! Off topic!

[jocko]

wyn, those photos are awesome, IMO there is no way a ported gun can be any worse than those photos are. I just don't think we realize how much flame is coming out the front of that barrel, as again we shoot mostly in daylight where it is not seen. Photos sure dn't lie either. Nice job.

[Bawanna]

Gosh darn it, I think I want a DLC! I have another ankle that's not doing anything. Those are great pics and lots of pyrotechnics for sure. You sure don't notice it shooting it all.
Next time at the range if theres an empty bay for a bit I'll see if they will let me turn off the lights and light a few off. That would show up pretty cool if my kid gets the camera set up right.

[wyntrout]

The wildest pyrotechnics were some Double Tap +P 9mm ammo in a slightly darker area of the range. it was like cloud watching and noticing that some clouds look like objects, animals, or people.
Sometimes it's really amazing all of the gases, flashes, and flaming powder bits that come from EVERY opening on the gun and in any direction! I certainly appreciate eye-protection after seeing those displays.
The oddest video/freeze-frame sequence I've had was the first shot from my P380 where the return to battery took 18 frames at a 30 fps rate! It was weird enough when I fired it and there was a delay, but seeing the video with about 17 frames that looked alike... slide to the rear... was really weird. I only had that one real hesitation, though I did have at least one where I felt it took a bit longer to return to battery... just a few more frames, maybe, with that one.
I still need to try video from the right side with the ejection port, though that might be hazardous to my camera.
Wynn

[OldLincoln]

Geez, I hate to hijack this thread, but I looked at my mag well today and played with sliding the mag. I discovered the mag move free as can be until it hits the release catch - with the button pushed ALL the way in. Looking I can see a tad of the catch poking out. Playing more with slide removed and pressure down on the mag, I also have to push the release button almost all the way in to release the mag. So I'm thinking it needs to be trimmed a bit.

Best would be if somebody who is a pal of Kahr's Ian would find out what they do to fix the issue. They then could post it in Kahr-Tech for the rest of us.

Anyway, until I hear a proper fix I guess I'll polish the heck out of my mags to see if they work better slippery.

[wyntrout]

I "scalloped" mine on the P380. I used a round file and removed a lot of the middle of the catch... of course I removed it from the gun first. Then I sanded and polished the catch. I was trying to make the catch less intrusive into the tube, thinking that the spring or the follower was impinging on the catch. I didn't disturb the catch bearing surfaces so there's still good magazine retention.

The magazines release more easily now. I used to have to exert a lot of pressure on the mag release button and had to reposition my hand or grip to do so.

I still have the odd slide locking back before the magazine is empty, but I'm afraid to remove any more from the slide release. A quick slingshot rack and it's ready to go. I'll wait until after another range trip before taking any more action. Maybe a new slide release will help... I never saw any contact with rounds in the magazine and as I've said many times, I don't get near the slide release when I'm holding or firing the pistol. It may be poor technique but I hold my strong hand thumb down with my weak hand thumb, well clear of the release.

Warning! Off topic notice:
I just got my computer back together. I went from the AMD Athlon X2 7750 at OC3.0 GHz to the Phenom II 940 Quad CPU at 3.0GHz, for only about $108 delivered from NewEgg. I got an "open box"... return and saved about $24(I only needed the bare CPU). It's the fastest AM2+ chip I can get for my motherboard, which I'm happy with. I still need to bump the memory clock up to get my 1066 speed and then I'll try overclocking a bit.
I updated my BIOS and had no problem, except that I couldn't find the Quicksilver(?) 5 thermal paste to remount the heatsink. I used what was on the heatsink and smeared or smudged up the CPU a bit, but not enough... probably. So far it's running cooler than the other CPU. The old is 95 watts and the new 125 watts. I'll have to wait and see if that little bit of thermal paste is enough when I load the CPU up.
I bought some of the latest greatest stuff, but I looked all over and couldn't find it. I've got my temperature monitors onscreen and I'll get a hell of an audible warning alert... set at only 70%... it's like the DIVE alarm on a submarine, almost -- quite alarming!

Okay, enough off topic computer stuff. Now maybe I can get back to "scenting" and building up my post tally. I'll just putter along in third place. I'm not trying to compete with anyone.
Wynn

[jocko]

Okay, enough off topic computer stuff. Now maybe I can get back to "scenting" and building up my post tally. I'll just putter along in third place. I'm not trying to compete with anyone.
Wynn


I personally do no tlike the post count to my name at all. I have asked to see if that post count on my name be taken off even. I do not need to know how many posts I have made and as u know it seems to piss some people off when they see a poster like jocko with so many posts. They start to question alot of things and that is when we start to get into pissing contests due to some being just jealous or what ever. Post count is just not necessary...

I would think just SENIOR MEMBER, JUNIOR MEMBER, NEWBIE would be suffice to let all posters knows who has been around here for awhile. I have asked this question to the adminstrator and he told me he would look into it, so far I have not heard back. But I for one and I know Bawanna and Wyn probably feel the same way, as would probably all of this group. I post because I feel I can be of help to some things asked and I post because I truly like this forum and the guys in it. I B-s with some just for the fun of it, I certainly do't do it for top post count..Maybe if more of you felt this way a message to the mods might get some action.

A first time poster can sometimes bring forth just as valuable of information to this forum as a long time poster can. I also have felt from being on other fourms to that it can intimidate a newbie to even maybe question a long timne high count poster..

[paintwerk]

My P9 mags were sticky in the beginning. After some rounds they were fine. And now after 2500 rounds I can use the ejected mag as a 9th round. I have 7 spare mags, and they all fly out like they are late for dinner.

[Bawanna]

My P9 mags were sticky in the beginning. After some rounds they were fine. And now after 2500 rounds I can use the ejected mag as a 9th round. I have 7 spare mags, and they all fly out like they are late for dinner.

I suspected this would be the case. I guess some are just a little loser from the get go than others. A little judicious application of file and sandpaper would no doubt speed up the process. After this thread began I checked both my K40 and my recent PM45 and they both also provide the extra round. I got lucky again.
I also have to interject that we sometimes lose track of the purpose of these little guns. One of the officers came to me yesterday with his fairly new PM9, said he had issues. His main concern was during quals trying to go fast he had a hard time inserting the extra mag into the mag well. I could see where he literally was jaming the mag into the front of the mag well. I cleaned up the mouth some and removed the dings he'd created and explained that it was a bug. Not a compitition gun and a big ole mag well would defeat it's purpose. By the time it's empty and your going for a second mag your in deep deep kimshi. I then asked if he carried the extra mag and he said "NO". Many myself included don't carry an extra mag when it's utilized as a bug. I do carry one when it's by itself. Point is they are small defensive guns, I wouldn't get to worked up about a mag not flying accross the room when you hit the button. It's nice, and I prefer it that way but not a doomsday scenario.
Incidently, this same officers fingers are so long that he's using the 2nd pad on the trigger and theres enough finger sticking out that he automatically hits the mag release everytime he pulls the trigger. He's a young guy, I told him he's flexible enough to use the 1st pad and eliminate that. I put a innertube on for him which he loved and sent him on his way. Told him if he continued to have issues I'd give him 200 for his DLC Nite sighted PM9. Seems fair?

[OldLincoln]

I personally do no tlike the post count to my name at all.

Yeah, yeah, written just like somebody who is about to sent back to second place! However I tend to agree! (written by someone with less than 100 posts).

Since anyone can fill buckets with +1 posts, I think the number is useless, except to show involvement like 7.5 posts per day. What is important to me is the poster's expertise as revealed by others who post supporting statements. If a rating system based on nominations from mods and superusers could classify posters by knowledge and helpfulness were instituted I would applaud as THAT would mean something useful.

[OldLincoln]

Told him if he continued to have issues I'd give him 200 for his DLC Nite sighted PM9. Seems fair?

Whata guy!

[Bawanna]

Yeah, yeah, written just like somebody who is about to sent back to second place! However I tend to agree! (written by someone with less than 100 posts).

Since anyone can fill buckets with +1 posts, I think the number is useless, except to show involvement like 7.5 posts per day. What is important to me is the poster's expertise as revealed by others who post supporting statements. If a rating system based on nominations from mods and superusers could classify posters by knowledge and helpfulness were instituted I would applaud as THAT would mean something useful.

I don't want to fill the bucket here with a +1 but I have thought about your poster rating system also. The post count is a good participation measurement that many misinterpret. A knowledge and helpfulness grading system by members ourselves would be way cool. I guess there could be issues involved like anything else, the good ole boy syndrome, that sort of thing. A good one would be some sort of tag applied annonomosly for nuisance or pain in the backside posters too. Bet I'd get some of those sometimes. I'm almost afraid of any change, things are pretty nice here. On post count alone some of us are fortunate or in my case unfortunate to work in front of a computer all day so when a question comes up we're the first to see it. Doesn't make us any smarter than anyone else we just happen to be there first. I often times see a new poster asking a question and my own impatience kicks in, I know he's wanting an answer, I have it, I really want someone else to give it to him but I dont want to see him wait. It's a curse.
I love the grading system you mention, we should try to brainstorm that although I'm handicapped in that brain area. Jocko's got nothing to worry about from me, it's not a race to me. Unless theres a cash prize involved or maybe a new Kahr for reward for highest post I'll just coast along just fine.
Heck with it, +1 from Bawanna

[OldLincoln]

I tore down my PM9 and worked on the mag slide ridges in the Mag well. I started by cutting a slice of wet/dry 500 grit sandpaper about 1" wide and wrapped it over a mag that fit looser than others and worked it until it felt looser (not "loose"). I think that's a good way to do it as the mag puts pressure where it needs to go.

Now 2 of my 3 mags drop free without any drag. The third will if I use two thumbs and push like all heck on the mag release. So I definitely need to remove the mag catch and refine it. I gave up after 100 tries to get that @#$%#@ catch leaf spring out of the release. I finally found a good thread with nice pics on Glock Talk's Kahr Club: P45 Repair - Glock Talk Apparently I need to buy yet another tool - a dental pick for the sole reason to remove the mag catch this one time in my entire life! Sigh... at least I'm not getting a $400 port job.

Other discoveries...

1. Did you know the top of the mags (where the pointy things stick out) flares out a bit? All my mags want to drag at that point. Not much but still a drag. I put a straight edge along the side of the mags with a light behind it and there it is. I wonder if that is the cause of mags leaking rounds in the pocket. Anyway, if my sensi's agree, I'll block the inside of the mag where the second round goes and squeeze the top inward about a millimeter.

2. Mags of same size are different sizes. I have 3 mags and each fits in the mag well differently. In my case I have a baby bear fit - nice and loose, papa bear - fits tight and mama bear that fits just right. I decided to kinda polish all mags so I sanded them with 500 grit paper and was surprised how smooth they came with little effort. Naturally I took them apart and cleaned them after.

Just think, if I ever get another Kahr I'll know what needs doing. I'd get all stainless and dehorn the sharp edges, tweak the mag issues, polish the parts that rub together, run the slide through 300 reps then shoot 300 - 500 rounds. When just right, I'll send it off to get the black finish. This sounds like something a business would do for a fee.