New MagGuts +1 mag addition for Kahr 380 pistols

[erichard]

I had MagGuts in my LCP magazines for a while. They worked great initially, but I began to have some feed issues. Rounds would pop up vertically on occasion and the springs collapsed inside one another (the cup that goes between the springs dislodged). I just decided it wasn't worth it for me, YMMV.
Regards,
Greg

They apparently changed the follower a year ago or so. Not sure if that would change your issues or not, but thought you might like to know. I think the change mainly helped the slide lock back on the last round for some guns. Before I bought, I looked around the web for bad feedback on the MagGuts and didn't find too much, which made me more confident to buy. Of course, as you say, YMMV, especially with guns, as we see here in the P380/CW380 forum all the time.

LastDaze, I hope those XP's work with the MagGuts too. Did you do Greg's slingshot mod on your followers? I'm curious if that mod helps out the XP's. Should, but need evidence before believing. I corresponded with the company, and the only 380 they didn't recommend for use with XP's was our Kahr P380 due to nosediving, especially on the first round. The Kahr they used was 2nd hand, so who knows whether it was a problematic old P380 or what. Ya never know if you're getting someone else's problems when you buy used.

As for the expense, I carry the CW380 with an extra magazine in a Recluse Plus holster, so between the two magazines, I now have 15 rounds in my pocket and could go to 16 rounds if I used the extended magazine in the gun. That's a lot of rounds to comfortably hide in your back pocket, thanks partially to the MagGuts system, and if you combine the Lehigh XP 14-17 inch penetration and 1" by 9" initial wound channel, you have quite a lot of fire power, even relative to a Glock 19. As long as it remains reliable, I think it's worth it because I don't need more magazines as this won't be my primary range gun, but rather a primary concealed carry gun (so I need more rounds per magazine instead, in other words).

[gun papa]

Shipping was quick. Assembly was easy. 40 rds fired. Very pleased.

Dumb gun papa video review enclosed. Hope you like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfY2I...ature=youtu.be

[Pointblank]

So you buy a gun whose main selling point is it's size and now you want to make it bigger? I don't get it. Just buy a bigger pistol.

[gb6491]

So you buy a gun whose main selling point is it's size and now you want to make it bigger? I don't get it. Just buy a bigger pistol.

I may not be interpreting your "...and now you want to make it bigger" comment correctly, but FWIW the MagGuts product does not increase the physical dimensions of the pistol or the magazine.
Regards,
Greg

[TheLastDaze]

@erichard.... my gun is stock from factory, nothing but a good cleaning has went into it... Though I only fired 3 Lehigh's I know they cycled well by hand, I used the slide release per manufacturer.... however I did rack it a bunch of times through the 250 I shot everytime I racked it never had a problem...

I've completely detail striped and cleaned it up, It will be interesting to see how she performs next time at the range.. I had a few initial problems and feel confident will go away..

I bought my extra mags at CTD..

[erichard]

So you buy a gun whose main selling point is it's size and now you want to make it bigger? I don't get it. Just buy a bigger pistol.

Not sure if this is addressed to me or not, but everything I mentioned in the last post fits into a holster the size of a wallet, in my back pocket. Can't do that with Glock 19. To me, anything bigger or more conspicuous would deter me from carrying, which is why I don't go 9mm. I considered the Diamondback 9mm which is very small, but it's too unreliable by reputation. Just not interested in IWB carry.

[gun papa]

The conversion does NOT increase the size of the gun. The changes occur internal to the original space of the magazine.

[erichard]

It did lock open, but to be honest, I did replace the magazine with a loaded one while one was in the chamber most of the time. Wasn't thinking about that at the time. However, it did lock open every time when dry cycling till empty the night before, so I'm reasonably confident that function is OK. I can try it out again tomorrow for you to be sure.

FYI, tried it again today to test out slide lock back, and the slide did indeed lock back, no problemo.

Need to get more range ammo to put it through the paces a bit more fully.

[addictedhealer]

Thanks for the review, this is exciting. Might have to check them out when they release one for the P/CW. 8+1 sure does sound nice!

Also the bigger gun comment makes zero sense. Let's think before we post next time.

[SlowBurn]

New MagGuts +1 mag addition for Kahr 380 pistols

FYI, tried it again today to test out slide lock back, and the slide did indeed lock back, no problemo.

Need to get more range ammo to put it through the paces a bit more fully.

Very encouraging. Now I'm tempted. Thanks for "taking the plunge" and the reports.

[SmokyT]

I had MagGuts in my LCP magazines for a while. They worked great initially, but I began to have some feed issues. Rounds would pop up vertically on occasion and the springs collapsed inside one another (the cup that goes between the springs dislodged). I just decided it wasn't worth it for me, YMMV.
Regards,
Greg

Obviously the biggest concern people have with the Magguts system is its reliability, which seems to be hit-and-miss depending on the particular pistol, particular magazine tube in which it is installed and the particular Magguts system you receive from the company... My personal experience with two original gen.1 Magguts systems for the LPC has been great. After over a year and several hundred rounds of various defensive ammo, they have not failed on me thus far. So I have relatively high hopes for these two I just got for my P380. (Crossing my fingers.)

[gun papa]

The Mag Guts conversion reliably locked my CW slide back, which was not the case with the original mag internals. This means the flaw is with Kahr's magazine followers.

[SmokyT]

OK., I've shot a little over 100 rounds (including a box of Speer GD, Barnes XPD, and Hornady CD) to test the two Magguts I bought. Prior to the range test, I lightly polished all sharp corners and edges of the Magguts followers and cups with #600 wet/dry sandpaper, cleaned all internal parts and the two mag tubes before re-assembling them. I then pre-tested both magazines by hand-cycling the gun with live ammo to make sure that they function as they should.


During the range test, I did not experience any magazine related problem or issue. Both of my factory 6-rounder magazines fitted with the Magguts system worked reliably. The slide also stayed open after the last shots. I will continue to monitor these magazines with additional live fire tests, but at least at this point, I have confidence in these particular Magguts in my particular magazines to work with my particular P380.


This is not related to the Mgguts, but I also tested the new (stiffer) inner recoil spring I bought from Kahr recently. The new inner spring turned out just too strong for some ammo to cycle the gun reliably. In my case, it caused every round of Barnes XPD to stovepipe until I switched back to the original inner recoil spring that came with gun. (I have never experienced a stovepipe with any ammo with the original (weaker) inner spring that came with the gun.) Speer GD, Hornady CD and other ball ammo all cycled the gun fine with the stiffer inner spring.

[SmokyT]

So far I've shot a little over 460 rounds to test the two new Magguts 7 rounder conversion systems for the original 6 rounder magazines. AT this point, I have not experience any magazine related problem with either one of them. The slide also stayed open after the last shots. I am now pretty comfortable using these Magguts as part of my CCW system with the P380.

[ReManG]

So far I've shot a little over 460 rounds to test the two new Magguts 7 rounder conversion systems for the original 6 rounder magazines. AT this point, I have not experience any magazine related problem with either one of them. The slide also stayed open after the last shots. I am now pretty comfortable using these Magguts as part of my CCW system with the P380.

WOW, thanks for this update, that is a fair bit of shooting. I really like that you went over both the MagGuts and the magazine bodies to check them out and polish them prior to assembly, this no doubt helps... I am going to have to consider one or two sets of these...