New MagGuts +1 mag addition for Kahr 380 pistols

[topgun1953]

XCO
As Alfonse mentioned, that is not really a magazine issue, but Kahr's striker foot is hitting the the rim of the last/top round in the magazine when the striker is released, which prevents the firing pin from hitting the rimer of the round in the chamber with a sufficient force. The issue you are experiencing has been discussed in this thread: http://thegunwriter.blogs.heraldtrib...lems-reported/


As I stated in that thread, I have fixed this problem wth my P380 (and PM9) by lightly filing the striker foot, so it will not contact the rim of the last/top round in the magazine. I have not had any FTFire/light strike since then with Magguts coversions or stock magazines.

The link brings me to a story about the Glock 42.

[SmokyT]

The link brings me to a story about the Glock 42.

Here is the correct link: http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.p...ng-issue/page6

[dsk]

The link brings me to a story about the Glock 42.

Yeah the G42 has its own sets of problems as well. I think gun designers all had their hands full trying to develop little itty-bitty .380 pistols for the CCW market. I'm not aware of a single one where there aren't people complaining about problems.

[XCO]

Well, I didn't give up on the mag guts on my P380. They send me a second one to try and it had the exact same problem. Light strike with one round in mag - every single time.

So, I ordered the Lakeline striker. Got it last Friday and put it in. Not too bad, I used the put the slide in a plastic bag technique before pulling the back plate off method to not loose anything. Apparently, I didn't need to even do that step. After taking the back plate off I had to pull and push all of the parts out. The striker channel and extractor channel were pretty full of black gunk and thick like honey. Took time to clean it all out and got both areas free of any gunk. The new striker fit as it should, and I re-installed the ejector. No lube on any of it, except some very, very light gun butter where the ejector rod presses against the ejector.

Put the mag guts back in and went to the range. Fired off 100 rounds of Lawman, not one single issue at all. Tried 7 in magazine, 3, 4, 5 in mag - tried every variation - had wife try it, couldn't make it fail anymore. Looks like this is a good combination.

However, I do notice even with the Lakeline striker, it does still push the last round in the magazine forward a little. Doesn't seem to affect the function, but it does still hit it. Tested by putting an empty shell casing in the magazine and dry firing, drop the mag, shell has moved forward in the mag.

Maybe, it was just the gunk slowing the striker down enough, combined with the drag of the striker on the next round that caused the light strike. Just can't understand why it was only when one round was in the mag and never any time else??

Happy now!

-Ken

[foytfoyt]

Hello, Everyone.

Just to add to the collective experience, I have the 7 to 8 Magguts in my P380. It works great, with no issues, with my particular sample. I plan to buy more.

On the other hand, Fiocchi ammo has a greater than 50% failure rate, with the slide failing to go fully into battery. The case diameter seems to be too large at the bullet, with even a slight bell mouth at the opening. My P380 will also not feed Win. white box FMJ, likely due to the flat nose, which gets stuck on the feed ramp.

With the Magguts and Sig hollow points, Blazer Brass FMJ, or LAX reloads, the pistol is very reliable, with close to zero malfunctions.

[SaltyNC]

It's been awhile since I've been on KahrTalk, but decided to drop by to see if there were any new products or any known problems with my 380. I've already ordered Alfonso's Lakeline striker as preventative maintenance, and went ahead and got the stainless guide rod while at it. These Magguts look really interesting. Have they replaced the screw in the lock plate, or are they still using that? If still using the screw, you ought to help them out Alfonso and design a proper lock plate.

Hope all of you guys are doing well. Sad to see Muggsy has passed, and was hoping to see lots of acidic posts from ol' Jocko, but I guess he's taking some time off.

Salty

[Alfonse]

I'm working on 380s now. I'm looking to see if I can do a more robust recoil spring setup, and have prototypes coming in for new magazine follower/spring combo for it. I think I can improve feeding beyond the Magguts approach, have a more robust spring than the Kahr and maybe get the extra round to boot. I should know over the next several weeks.

Oh, and I'll probably do a charging handle like the one that is being produced for the 9mm if folks like the 9mm one.

[SaltyNC]

I'm working on 380s now. I'm looking to see if I can do a more robust recoil spring setup, and have prototypes coming in for new magazine follower/spring combo for it. I think I can improve feeding beyond the Magguts approach, have a more robust spring than the Kahr and maybe get the extra round to boot. I should know over the next several weeks.

Oh, and I'll probably do a charging handle like the one that is being produced for the 9mm if folks like the 9mm one.

That would be awesome if you could do all that and get the extra round. Thanks for the reply.

Salty

[notorious_kahr]

I personally don't have a need for the extra round, but a new follower for the 380 Kahr pistols would be nice!

[SaltyNC]

Isn't that like saying you don't need any more sex?

Salty

[notorious_kahr]

Indeed.

Any updates?

[Alfonse]

Yeah, I got a version in aluminum to function really well as far as round retainage and feeding. It didn't tilt, kept the bullet end of the rounds up and even has a better spring than the factory setup (it used P3AT or LCP springs).

But, I couldn't get all that, and the extra round in there. By the time I whittled it down enough to get the extra round in there, the "anti tilt" part of it didn't work well anymore. It still might be better than stock, but is basically the functionality of the Magguts parts. It is less complicated than their version though.

So, I have some brain cells working on it, but it isn't front burner right now.

[steelpastor]

Yeah, I got a version in aluminum to function really well as far as round retainage and feeding. It didn't tilt, kept the bullet end of the rounds up and even has a better spring than the factory setup (it used P3AT or LCP springs).

But, I couldn't get all that, and the extra round in there. By the time I whittled it down enough to get the extra round in there, the "anti tilt" part of it didn't work well anymore. It still might be better than stock, but is basically the functionality of the Magguts parts. It is less complicated than their version though.

So, I have some brain cells working on it, but it isn't front burner right now.

Alfonse... VERY interested in your work! Something to give an extra round of 9mm in my PM9 would be amazing. What about the ZeeSpring approach that MagGuts uses for the Glock 43? For the PM9 or the P380?

Thank you for your hard work.

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[Alfonse]

Alfonse... VERY interested in your work! Something to give an extra round of 9mm in my PM9 would be amazing. What about the ZeeSpring approach that MagGuts uses for the Glock 43? For the PM9 or the P380?

Thank you for your hard work.

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The spring isn't the issue with as far as I've gotten. To keep more pressure on the bullet end of the round, I have been using the follower in a configuration that limits the tilt of the follower in the magazine tube. By the time I do that and get the angles of the feed where I want them, there isn't room for an extra round. I can easily get something that holds the extra round, but it really isn't an improvement over the Magguts except it is less complex in that it assembles and disassembles like a standard follower/spring arrangement.

[P380BUG]

Mine came with MagGuts in the 7rnd mag and were crap. Could hardly get 6 in let alone 7 and would not Cycle at all.

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