CW380 defense rounds

[Ron AZ]

http://shootingthebull.net/blog/?s=.380+Ammo+Quest

I have shot 3 of the 4 loads recommended that use the Hornady XTP bullet (Fiocchi, HPR, & Precision One). I am currently using Precision One. Precision One also fed flawlessly for me with Magguts kit installed in my 6 round and 7 round magazines.

[KahrArmed]

Attempted to shoot the HPR JHP's yesterday. Complete fail. First round fired, but second just kept getting stuck on the feed ramp. The conical nose of the round just doesn't seem to like the Kahrs that I own. [emoji22]

[TeaDub]

My CW380 fed the HPRs well. The one drawback to that load is the crimp was quite weak (on the 2 boxes I tried). After just two or three chamberings, setback was visible. My Kahr also loves the Gold Dots. That is what I use. My CW is mostly a summer carry. In the hot weather, I'm not as concerned about the thick denim "requirement".

[SlowBurn]

Hornady CD. I think it got a bad rap re penetration from one outlier session on ammo quest. Others have recorded fine penetration and expansion. Feed reliability is great.

[KahrArmed]

I have sent the gun into Kahr for lock back issues, and I also mentioned the HPR issue, maybe it'll come back with that taken care of as well.

[jocko]

corbon powerball works really nice.. Just sayin

[3502dav]

Precision one has been perfect for me.


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[CharlieR]

I've been carrying PDX1 Bonded in my P380. Cycles just fine.

[SmokyT]

Speer Gold Dot here.

[muggsy]

Somehow I don't find it necessary to waste a lot of money on a perp. I use the round that the .380 was originally designed around which is the .380 ball round. It's the round that has killed more people that all of the other .380 rounds put together. It feeds well and you don't have to be concerned about inadequate penetration of the perp or anyone standing behind the perp for that matter. Anyone standing behind the perp that I'm shooting at is a damn fool anyway.

[RonW]

While its true that .380 ball will get you the penetration however using ball ammo with todays selection of defensive .380 thats out on the market today is just plain ridiculous.

For one, ball ammo, creates a non existent wound channel, in order to stop an assailant, the round must expand upon impact, creating a large wound channel that will cause incapitation by either bleed out or shock from impact. Ball ammo greatly increases the chance of having the round go thru a body and zip on to a innocent 3rd party. Is that what you want? I would not risk it either. A expanding round such as a .380 will not penetrate as deep, however as a CCW holders you owe it to yourself & to socieity to be responsible to those around you in a self defense situation. Of all the bullets out there, why anyone would choose ball ammo is beyond me.

There has been some extensive study & tests that prove that XTP bullets give the best performance therefore I load up my BG380 with Hornady's American Gunner XTP .380.

Ammo Quest review of the best .380 loads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNtPHYwcDts

[DavidR]

CW380 defense rounds

Uh-oh

What happened to the last guy that made Muggsy mad?

[RonW]

Uh-oh

What happened to the last guy that made Muggsy mad?

Muggsy can go stand in the corner & pout if he wants.... But seriously I mean no disrespect. But if anyone is not concerned about who is standing behind a badguy in a self defense shooting then he/she should rethink their priorities before carrrying a handgun in public. But the intent on having a concealed carry permit is to legally carry a firearm & use deadly force as an absolute last resort if all else fails, the idea is to stop the bad guy, we do not intend to kill or turn the bad guy into a piece of swiss cheese.
Common sence shows that a FMJ causes a very small wound channel & is prone to over penetrate. To use a ball ammo round in a pistol intended for self defense (except on the range of course) is irresponsible & ineffective at best.

[berettabone]

Muggsy can go stand in the corner & pout if he wants.... But seriously I mean no disrespect. But if anyone is not concerned about who is standing behind a badguy in a self defense shooting then he/she should rethink their priorities before carrrying a handgun in public. But the intent on having a concealed carry permit is to legally carry a firearm & use deadly force as an absolute last resort if all else fails, the idea is to stop the bad guy, we do not intend to kill or turn the bad guy into a piece of swiss cheese.
Common sence shows that a FMJ causes a very small wound channel & is prone to over penetrate. To use a ball ammo round in a pistol intended for self defense (except on the range of course) is irresponsible & ineffective at best.

Maybe you don't want to turn the bad guy into a piece of Swiss cheese

[dsk]

I agree with you Ron. The problem is finding a .380 round that will actually expand out of a short barrel like the Kahr's and not end up acting like a ball round anyway. I wish there would be more ballistics gel tests online that didn't use the ridiculous FBI criteria of four layers of heavy denim. Unless you shoot some guy in Wyoming in the dead of winter nobody's wearing four layers of denim. More likely a thin cotton shirt which shouldn't plug up most hollow points.