New CW45 broke on the very first round fired

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Not a huge disaster, just a screw up.

The longer pin has a bevel that rides in the groove of the extractor. Its under TIGHT spring pressure. Think... if it flies out and hits you in the eye, there will be an exit wound with brains on it.... the bevel didn't get aligned right at the factory. The spring pressure was strong enough to hold it for a few shots during test fire at the factory.

Once that bevel's in the groove, it will stay put, no issues ever... ever... on that. Only pistols that have not been assembled correctly ever show that issue.

No need to get any sort of doubting attitude with that problem!

I keep hearing that it's a minor thing - just a poor adjustment or placement in the factory when assembling the ejector mechanism. Well from a newby to Kahr and outsider from the forum, I have to say that it's a bit unnerving to me for these parts to just fly off from the frame on the first round fired - and these parts are critical to the operation for a follow up shot - which in my case would be a while since I had to pull back on the slide while dropping the magazine - and THEN re-racking a few times to get the slide in the right position to be able to pull the spent cartridge from the barrel with my fingernails. By the time I get the magazine back into place and re-rack again to be ready to fire again - a LONG time has passed by then! And that only resulted in another single round fired before starting the process again. WHAT exactly makes it so much more reliable? Seating the ejector parts a bit differently? Id the P-Series the same ejection mechanism as the CW series?

[CJB]

Lookit....

Seating the part CORRECTLY.

If the damn thing is not put together right, don't expect it to work right.
When its put together correctly, it works correctly. Thats the way it is.

Capiche?

Since its been sent to Kahr, you can either take everyone's word for it, or go around all with your knickers in a twist. Your choice!

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I'll wait for them to return it to me and give it a workout after that. I wish that I didn't have to wait for a month to get a repaired gun when I did buy new and fired one shot to break it though. It's possible that the holidays extend the repair/return time. I went from being SO psyched to get out and give it a workout - to BAM - broken on the first shot. I guess that has a lot to do with my frustration. I did study long and hard before making the purchase of what I determined was the best choice for a carry gun. I don't wear knickers so can't get those in a twist - do getting my panties in a wad count

[CJB]

-Click-

[gb6491]

I keep hearing that it's a minor thing - just a poor adjustment or placement in the factory when assembling the ejector mechanism. Well from a newby to Kahr and outsider from the forum, I have to say that it's a bit unnerving to me for these parts to just fly off from the frame on the first round fired - and these parts are critical to the operation for a follow up shot - which in my case would be a while since I had to pull back on the slide while dropping the magazine - and THEN re-racking a few times to get the slide in the right position to be able to pull the spent cartridge from the barrel with my fingernails. By the time I get the magazine back into place and re-rack again to be ready to fire again - a LONG time has passed by then! And that only resulted in another single round fired before starting the process again. WHAT exactly makes it so much more reliable? Seating the ejector parts a bit differently? Id the P-Series the same ejection mechanism as the CW series?

Lookit....

Seating the part CORRECTLY.

If the damn thing is not put together right, don't expect it to work right.
When its put together correctly, it works correctly. Thats the way it is.

Capiche?

Since its been sent to Kahr, you can either take everyone's word for it, or go around all with your knickers in a twist. Your choice!

You might check with the shop to see if they've returned the pistol to Kahr yet as I believe the others are correct in that the front extractor pin was probably installed wrong. I believe the pistol will function as intended once the parts are reinstalled correctly (something a handy person can do, http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.p...-Kahr-s-Upper!).

As CJB states: "If the damn thing is not put together right, don't expect it to work right.
When its put together correctly, it works correctly. Thats the way it is."

Regards,
Greg

[DavidR]

Hopefully when it comes back it will work great and you'll enjoy shooting it while you build confidence in its reliability.

Hang in there, I understand your frustration.


Dave

[muggsy]

If it's any consolation, one of our members has over 32,000 rounds through his PM9 and it has been 100% reliable. He has only performed routine maintenance and replaced a few worn out recoil springs. My CM9 has been trouble free through 3,000+ rounds.

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Thanks for the detailed reply and pics. It looks like I DID somehow find all of the parts.

If I can ask one more question - after this happened at the range I noticed that the piece at the very rear of the slide seemed loose and if I wanted to I could have slid it downward and off of the slide. It had a spring behind it that looks like it would have popped out if I would have removed the back piece. Not sure what that piece is, if it should be loose like that, or maybe its loose because the ejector isn't in place?
I'm sorry for being grumpy yesterday about the problem I had - I was just disappointed that it broke and that now I'll be without it for up to a month as I was looking very much forward to getting it broken in over the holidays. I think the felt recoil is much less than I had anticipated and the shots that I did fire hit the target at point of aim. I'm looking forward to being able to carry the CW45 IWB after getting it back and breaking it in.

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Sorry if I got on your nerves with my posts. They were written in frustration and the purpose wasn't to get on anyones nerves or to rag on Karh. I posted a joke about not wearing knickers and perhaps you took it the wrong way. It was meant to come off as ragging on myself for being so negative in my earlier posts.
I do appreciate all of the words of encouragement from everyone.

[muggsy]

Here's a link on how to detail strip the slide on a Kahr Pistol. It isn't at all difficult to do and there are only a few things to be careful about. Flying springs to name one. It's so easy that even Jocko can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mi3VFRll2L4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XBysFcsLJI

[marshal kane]

We're all "big boys" around here so you needn't tip-toe around us. CJB's "click" could have been his idea of a joke too.

Kahr will re-assemble the extractor parts and you should give the gun a good workout when you get it back.

EXTRACTOR = the part that extracts the empty case or cartridge from the chamber. EJECTOR = the part that ejects same from the pistol.

[gb6491]

Thanks for the detailed reply and pics. It looks like I DID somehow find all of the parts.

If I can ask one more question - after this happened at the range I noticed that the piece at the very rear of the slide seemed loose and if I wanted to I could have slid it downward and off of the slide. It had a spring behind it that looks like it would have popped out if I would have removed the back piece. Not sure what that piece is, if it should be loose like that, or maybe its loose because the ejector isn't in place?
I'm sorry for being grumpy yesterday about the problem I had - I was just disappointed that it broke and that now I'll be without it for up to a month as I was looking very much forward to getting it broken in over the holidays. I think the felt recoil is much less than I had anticipated and the shots that I did fire hit the target at point of aim. I'm looking forward to being able to carry the CW45 IWB after getting it back and breaking it in.

That's the "slide back" (PN: 004CW45). The extractor spring does press the rear extractor pin against the slide back. The other spring you noticed is the striker spring; it presses the striker spring guide rod against the slide back. There is a small amount of up/down "play' to the slide back when all the parts are installed correctly, but it's not going anywhere. The rear extractor pin must be depressed and the striker spring/ ss guide rod retracted (at the same time) before the slide back can be removed.
http://www.kahr.com/Parts/Kahr-CW45.asp
Regards,
Greg

[yqtszhj]

K

You might check with the shop to see if they've returned the pistol to Kahr yet as I believe the others are correct in that the front extractor pin was probably installed wrong. I believe the pistol will function as intended once the parts are reinstalled correctly (something a handy person can do, http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.p...-Kahr-s-Upper!).

As CJB states: "If the damn thing is not put together right, don't expect it to work right.
When its put together correctly, it works correctly. Thats the way it is."

Regards,
Greg

Greg, I'm telling you that you are the Master of visual aids. You must have taught in your past careers and if not you should have.

[gb6491]

K

Greg, I'm telling you that you are the Master of visual aids. You must have taught in your past careers and if not you should have.

Why, thank you kindly
Regards,
Greg

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You might check with the shop to see if they've returned the pistol to Kahr yet as I believe the others are correct in that the front extractor pin was probably installed wrong. I believe the pistol will function as intended once the parts are reinstalled correctly (something a handy person can do, http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.p...-Kahr-s-Upper!).

As CJB states: "If the damn thing is not put together right, don't expect it to work right.
When its put together correctly, it works correctly. Thats the way it is."

Regards,
Greg

So since it appears that I DID find all of the parts - what actually holds the group into the slide? Is it similar to the way the barrel attaches to the slide?