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    I went to the range. I’m trying to be better about that. Aimed RA4xxx down range. Pulled trigger. Click - no bang. What? It never failed with good ammo before. Tap - rack...click. Tap - rack...click. RATS!

    Pulled the other P380 out of the case. Bang..bang.....bang..bang....bang..bang....bang, all day long. (Or for 100 rounds, whichever came first.)

    I ordered TWO strikers from Kahr, and two striker springs (and a guide, just in case). I did this even before I stripped the slide. Regular shipping was a couple of days.

    Consistent with other reports, I did get some light strikes some time ago, but then the pistol worked fine. But after some thought, and stripping the slide - I have, perhaps a theory...or maybe an hypothesis.

    When I stripped the slide, sure ‘nuff the striker was broken. I’m not set up for pics, but there are other pics on the forum. Same-same so it seems. However, I could not fit the two pieces back together. I would have to pry the main body of the striker open to get the business end to fit together. What I think may have happened in this circumstance is that stress fractures occurred in the weak(est) portion of the striker. The fractures may have gone all the way through and produced a two piece striker - and the thing may have still functioned! If the pieces were held together in the confines of the striker channel this (now group of parts) may have functioned for a while. The striker spacer (#21 on the Kahr diagram) merely pushes on the broken piece and the primer is usually struck hard enough. But sometimes, the forces on the system pushes the (now detached by fracture) ‘ears’ a bit outwards, dissipating some energy, and resulting in a light strike.

    Eventually, the dynamic forces either abrade the fractured joint, or work the now detached ears enough, or just by random chance, the business end of the striker gets knocked completely out of position. Now we know we have a broken striker.

    If this hypothesis is correct, even disassembly may not reveal the problem. Fractures in metal can be really tiny (microscopic). The thing that makes me think this might be the case (at least some of the time) is my experience of a previous episode of light strikes, and, other reports of episodic light strikes. The system seems too simple to have occasional light strikes unless something is really not right (like the added variable of a detached striker point).

    On disassembly I noted two other anomalies.

    The striker spring was a little ‘wigglely’. It was not like this at the previous slide disassembly. Also, the original spring had the same number of coils as a new replacement from Kahr, but measures 5/16" shorter.

    Careful inspection of the striker spacer revealed a tiny burr on the outside radius near the trailing edge. This was corrected and the part was recycled (‘cause I didn’t have another one and wanted to take the gun to the range with the new striker and spring). I don’t remember this being there on any previous disassembly, but I wasn’t looking as closely as I am now.

    The striker in the Kahr 380 is, for at least a small sample, problematic. My RA4xxx was not purchased new. Perhaps the PO had a problem. Perhaps the PO dry fired it too much. Perhaps I did.

    At the range:

    RA4xxx, with a new striker and striker spring worked flawlessly (for 100+ rounds). I have new recoil springs on order. No dry firing in the future for this P380.

    The future:

    I ordered a spare striker. At the moment I consider strikers a ‘wear-out’ part. At the moment, I think would be good to replace a striker at the first sign of an otherwise inexplicable light strike.

    There may be something fundamentally ‘unscalable’ in the Kahr design. There may be some unaccounted for dynamic forces in the very compact spaces of the 380. There may be nothing wrong at all, except some tolerances may be all go the wrong direction at the same time. There may be a single cause for the seemingly higher than expected striker failures in Kahr 380. But there may not be a single cause. Eventually someone will figure it out.
    Last edited by Chaplain; 01-31-2016, 02:23 PM.

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    http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.p...r-Ultimate-Fix

    This may help!
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bills1873 View Post
      And, we should have them to ship in the next week!
      Aftermarket accessories for Kahr Pistols at https://lakelinellc.com/
      There are always more in the pipeline...

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      • #4
        Just looking at the picture it looks like a good solution. I will feel a whole lot better about reliability after installation and testing.

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        • #5
          Sorry to hear. With all this talk of broken strikers I ended up pulling mine apart to inspect and clean!


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Alfonse View Post
            And, we should have them to ship in the next week!
            What is the word on shipped price?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by gun papa View Post
              What is the word on shipped price?
              To be decided yet.
              Aftermarket accessories for Kahr Pistols at https://lakelinellc.com/
              There are always more in the pipeline...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Alfonse View Post
                To be decided yet.
                I'll be interested in one of these!

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                • #9
                  Kahr insists that this is not a widespread problem.

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                  • #10
                    Yeah....I've broken four. The last time I had a spare that I installed, but in emails with Jay about something else, he said that really shouldn't be happening and urged me to send it in. They replaced the slide and barrel too, this time. I thought cool! But my other slide and barrel were all broken in and running like a Swiss clock. Now I'm finding I'll have to run a few hundred rounds through the new slide and barrel to break it in.... I don't carry it much. Preference is given to my sig p938.
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                    • #11
                      I will have the parts by the end of day Thursday, according to the tracking. I do need to measure and do final testing. They will be on the market by Monday or sooner depending on how my schedule works out.
                      Aftermarket accessories for Kahr Pistols at https://lakelinellc.com/
                      There are always more in the pipeline...

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                      • #12
                        What is the real failure rate?

                        Originally posted by gun papa View Post
                        Kahr insists that this is not a widespread problem.
                        Based on what? Number of units sold? This is likely the only data point available to Kahr.

                        In these United States the largest percentage of firearms sold make (maybe) a few trips to the range, then sit in the box/drawer/safe/etc. Even many police officers do not shoot except for a bit of practice before annual or semi-annual qualification. Relatively few firearms ever have hundreds, let alone 1000's of rounds during the whole period of ownership.

                        An interesting question is: What is the incidence of striker breakage per 1000 rounds in units that fire 100 rounds+ per month? There is likely no good way to obtain this data, hence we are left with guesses based on anecdotal observation. The thing is, Kahr probably isn't much better off than us peons on the internet. There just does not seem to be a reliable way to gather legitimate statistically significant data without the expense of military contract type trials testing.

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                        • #13
                          In all my years I have never heard of a gun sans a CZ52, with as many broken firing pins.

                          How many broken striker guns have been returned, or reported just on this page?

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                          • #14
                            Almost there now:



                            I just need to get out and do final range testing in the morning. I should probably get a bullet trap, but the range is much more rewarding. But, everything sure looks great on the strikers.

                            And, a photo that lets you see some of the differences:



                            https://lakelinellc.com/shop/ultimat...r-380-pistols/
                            Aftermarket accessories for Kahr Pistols at https://lakelinellc.com/
                            There are always more in the pipeline...

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                            • #15
                              What is the round count fired by your final design, production, test striker?
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