P9 issues

[naa10104]

Hello,

Long, long story short ! If that is possible. I have a 14 year old P9 that has been gently used, app. 1500 rounds thru it. First ten years it was fine with an occasional malfunction, ie. FTF. Nothing concerning. Last 5 years numerous cycling issues. Contacted Kahr and bought new recoil spring ... no improvement. Sent gun back to Kahr, they polished feed ramp and installed new recoil spring, no improvement. Sent gun back to Kahr, they replaced entire slide, new barrel, recoil spring and tube, and aligned with slide, still problems. Sent back again and Kahr honed out area underside of slide near muzzle. This seemed to help a lot.

New issue, fail to re cock striker. App. every 50 rounds .. gun cycles fine ... ejects ... re chambers ... in battery, but trigger is slack, not cocked. Work slide eject live round .. re chamber new round ... fires fine. Gun is thoroughly cleaned and lubed per Kahr guidelines. Slide has been disassembled and cleaned. Can' figure out why this is happening. I am not contacting slide during firing, using good full ball ammo. not limp wristing. Any sugggestions ? Thanks

[berettabone]

Call me foolish, but I don't see any replacement of mag springs........................they've done everything else. New striker spring?

[Bawanna]

I doubt the mag springs would effect resetting the striker. Striker spring perhaps but those don't seem to wear out that I've ever heard about.

I have a Colt Woodsman that does the same thing. Fires once, ejects, feeds and chambers fine but striker don't reset. Eject by hand and all is good for one more round. Still haven't figured it out either.

Specifically mentions not limp wristing which was my first thought. I'd try another shooter just to confirm that. The other end of the recoil spring theory is the good solid grip.

We'll sort this out, others will be along.

[naa10104]

P9

Call me foolish, but I don't see any replacement of mag springs........................they've done everything else. New striker spring?

The mags seem okay, but worth looking into. Striker spring could be a possibility since it is a fail to cock issue. Although I figured that when they replaced the slide that had all new internals. Only around 300 rounds on new slide. Really puzzled by this ... thanks.

[naa10104]

appreciate the advice ... I have not had anyone else shoot this gun other than the Kahr people when I send it back. I have been shooting for app. 40 years and am fairly well versed in guns etc. Don't think i am limp wristing it. I have a Glock 19 and Ruger LCP, never a problem with either, ever. Are the Kahr pistols more sensitive to this type of issue ? If so is there any way to compensate/correct it ? Different recoil spring etc. What puzzles me is how does the P9 cycle just fine and go into battery but not cock the trigger ? I was told that only app. 1/4" is required to reset/cock the trigger. Thanks again !

[gb6491]

appreciate the advice ... I have not had anyone else shoot this gun other than the Kahr people when I send it back. I have been shooting for app. 40 years and am fairly well versed in guns etc. Don't think i am limp wristing it. I have a Glock 19 and Ruger LCP, never a problem with either, ever. Are the Kahr pistols more sensitive to this type of issue ? If so is there any way to compensate/correct it ? Different recoil spring etc. What puzzles me is how does the P9 cycle just fine and go into battery but not cock the trigger ? I was told that only app. 1/4" is required to reset/cock the trigger. Thanks again !

Trigger bar/disconnector is not resetting.
First guesses: might be the trigger bar spring or something behind the side plate binding up the bar. The magazine could possibly interfere with either the spring or bar. Disconnector might be catching on the slide.
Regards,
Greg

[naa10104]

Thanks for the info .... I will check these areas for any issues.

[berettabone]

I don't know why you would think that I thought that mag springs would fix his striker problem? Thanks for the confidence I mentioned the mag springs for some of his other problems. The striker spring may not be something that normally causes problems, but stranger things have happened. Assembled properly? Yes the smaller Kahr's can be limp wristed, but the P9 I am not sure about. Seems it wouldn't have that issue.

[naa10104]

FYI, all the other cycling issues, FTF, FTE have been corrected ... the gun runs fine except for this fail to cock issue. The gun is assembled correctly. One of the earlier posts mentioned the trigger bar and spring which I understand ... what is the DISCONNECTOR that is mentioned ? Don't see that in any of the diagrams or parts lists. As soon as I can obtain the correct tool to remove the side plate in the frame I am going to inspect that for any issues, cleaning etc. Again appreciate the advice and remain open to any suggestions !

[Bawanna]

I don't know why you would think that I thought that mag springs would fix his striker problem? Thanks for the confidence I mentioned the mag springs for some of his other problems. The striker spring may not be something that normally causes problems, but stranger things have happened. Assembled properly? Yes the smaller Kahr's can be limp wristed, but the P9 I am not sure about. Seems it wouldn't have that issue.

Sorry dude, I understood per his last post that all the other issues were fixed and was only dealing with the striker reset.
I concur with Greg's diagnosis with the spring or possible obstruction.

[gb6491]

FYI, all the other cycling issues, FTF, FTE have been corrected ... the gun runs fine except for this fail to cock issue. The gun is assembled correctly. One of the earlier posts mentioned the trigger bar and spring which I understand ... what is the DISCONNECTOR that is mentioned ? Don't see that in any of the diagrams or parts lists. As soon as I can obtain the correct tool to remove the side plate in the frame I am going to inspect that for any issues, cleaning etc. Again appreciate the advice and remain open to any suggestions !

It's part of the trigger bar

When the slide is forward, it should ride up in a "pocket" in the slide allowing the trigger bar to engage the cocking cam

When the slide moves backward the the disconnector is pushed down, moving the trigger bar out of contact with the cocking cam

(photos 1 &3 are by dorangolv, I just resized and marked them)

If the disconnector does not return to full height after the trigger is released and the slide has come foward, the trigger bar will not engage the cocking cam correctly and the pistol will not fire.

FWIW, some side plates have a ball stud. If your plate does not come off easily after removing the screw and lifting the rear portion (front edge is under the frame) then you'll probably need to slide a tool down between the plate and the frame to pop the ball stud out of it's hole.


Regards,
Greg

[jocko]

NICE WORK GREGG, EVEN OPL JOCKO CAN UNDERSTAND . Just sayin

[downtownv]

Greg nails it again with clear "Jocko understandable" pics and illustrations!

[RolandD]

FYI, all the other cycling issues, FTF, FTE have been corrected ... the gun runs fine except for this fail to cock issue. The gun is assembled correctly. One of the earlier posts mentioned the trigger bar and spring which I understand ... what is the DISCONNECTOR that is mentioned ? Don't see that in any of the diagrams or parts lists. As soon as I can obtain the correct tool to remove the side plate in the frame I am going to inspect that for any issues, cleaning etc. Again appreciate the advice and remain open to any suggestions !

Might have done it already, but you may need to clean out the striker channel with some breekleen.

[naa10104]

P9

Might have done it already, but you may need to clean out the striker channel with some breekleen.

Already done ... thanks