A few Q's for the experts.

[jocko]

hwo about letting a few good shooters tha tyou trust tryi your kahr at 5 feet and see what results they get. Before panicking and calling kahr, u must eliminate all the possables that might be causing it. I. e. shooter form? sight picture? check over barrel expecial the muzzel end for any serious dings??other shooters getting the same results?

IMO it is ot ammo related so shoot what you have. we are here to help u, so if you feel like we are criticizing, we are defnitely not doing that, but we have to be fair and point fingers not only at the gun but at the shooter to.. ONE OF THOSE TWO IS THE CULPRIT.

[OldLincoln]

You don't know how I hesitated to ask this question.... When you look thru the sights, do you see both the verticle bar (back) with the dot (front) ABOVE it, like the dot above the letter "i"? I know, I know it's like asking if the computer is plugged in but it's the only thing I can think of that would put him so far off target at that distance. I also will absolutely refuse to tell you why it occurred to me!!

[Mr.VR6]

thanks everyone for all the replies. I am not trying to blame the gun in anyway, I am more concerned with learning to shoot this thing properly. i was more or less looking for the advice of everyone who has owned one of these longer than myself, to guide me down the right path. Also, please do not think I am going to be offended by any comments or criticism from anyone, you guys know waaaaayyy more about this stuff than i do, so absolutely all input is welcomed, and truly appreciated. i will be trying all of everyone's suggestions this week when i make it back out to the range, and I will be reporting back with my progress. again i thank all of you for your input, now i have an idea of what i need to do.

[ripley16]

I suggest you;
Shoot from a rest, the gun and hands supported and steadied by a support.
Let someone else shoot from a rest.
Use some good ammo.
Let us know how the next range visit goes.

[jocko]

heh

thanks everyone for all the replies. I am not trying to blame the gun in anyway, I am more concerned with learning to shoot this thing properly. i was more or less looking for the advice of everyone who has owned one of these longer than myself, to guide me down the right path. Also, please do not think I am going to be offended by any comments or criticism from anyone, you guys know waaaaayyy more about this stuff than i do, so absolutely all input is welcomed, and truly appreciated. i will be trying all of everyone's suggestions this week when i make it back out to the range, and I will be reporting back with my progress. again i thank all of you for your input, now i have an idea of what i need to do.

listen up, ur doing OK. it takes time to get the hang of kahrs loooooong trigger system. I shoot my PM9 compared to my G19 just horrible, and I mean just horrible. That being said, I can keep them at 7 yards in the FBI "Q" silhouette target all day long. Mind you my groups are not what I would want but these guns are what they are, they ar e a close up defense gun, that will save your life.

You might try some point of aim shootig, that being seeing that front sight clearly and the target and back sight is kida a blur. You cannot see all 3 clearly. Your eyes won't work that way, Get used to POA shooting and I think your groupls will get better, but for me, if your expecting 1 or 2" groups,you mighte the wrong gun. The gun can do it, just that most can't, Now from 5 feet you should be very accurate and I think the lows ur getting are shooter error. Try at 5 feet with just POA. Dry firing is good practice but it sure isn't like live firing, you could very well be anticipating that "bang" thing and not even knowing it. Snap caps in the magazine will show that up big time.

No one here is out to hammer you, I credit you for coming forward for help. most would not and would complain about the guns accuracy more than shooter error.. Keep at it, experiment with different sight picture and when your shots come upward where you want them remember what that sight picture was.

You know u can master a bad habit, just takes longer. If your jerking the trigger (anticipating) then if u see more of that front sight it will still bring your shots upward. not the best thing to do inmastering a bad habit, but many do it.
some shooters shoot with 6 O'clock hold some cover the target, try each to see what your groups look like..

[Mr.VR6]

thanks jocko, i am heading to the range tomorrow i think and will follow your suggestions. my buddy will be with me so i will have him shoot it as well. he is a very experienced shooter so i will also see what he thinks.

[Replay13]

Hello again Mr.VR6,
I'll pass on one thing that I work on if my shooting starts getting a little sloppy. Hold on target and take up most of the slack in the trigger then slowly squeeze the trigger just a little bit at a time, move the trigger just a little bit as slow as you can and hold, then move just a little more... the whole idea is to have the pistol fire without you knowing when it will fire, its ok if it takes 15 seconds or more to get off a shot. The point of this test is that if you don't know when it will fire, you can't anticipate the shot. This will build nerves of steel... and is rewarding and confidence building when you start making lots of good hits! I have found the PM9 a very accurate pistol for its size.
Most of all, have fun! Good luck with your shooting and keep us posted, ok.
James (Replay13)