Unscientific Survey - CW45 Guide Rod

[2edgesword]

The " better late then never" was directed at me for answering your question,"does your gun have a bevel?"
After the fact that you found the answer.
But no one answered your question they all just kept telling you to fix it.
( I wonder if any of that made sense?,I need to go sleep )

Recycooler

Yes, you did actually answer the question .

[TheTman]

I picked up my new CW45 today, and did the prep and lube, and then spent about 20-30 minutes trying to get that damned guide rod back in, I got to thinking they sent me the wrong spring or rod or something. Then I must have held it just right and it slipped right in. Not sure what I did different, kind of pushed it in from the side I think, after that long it's hard to keep track of everything you've done.
It sure wasn't much fun, trying to keep that freshly oiled guide rod from slipping out of my oily hand and flying across the room.
My guide rod is cut square, no bevel. Next time I take it apart it's getting beveled. Or I might order that stainless steel one. Glad to see I'm not the only one having problems. Man I love this forum. Seems like everything I come across has been discussed before. What a great resource to have available. I been racking the slide now for awhile, feel it's loosening up some, man this gun is tight. I wonder if the guide rod would be any easier to get in and out now. Not taking any chances finding out though until I'm ready to do some beveling.
I have the CW40 and wasn't expecting a wrestling match to get the guide rod back into the CW45. It pops right in and out of the CW40, but it has the beveled guide rod. It seems like they could take an extra 2 minutes to bevel that for us at the factory. I think I'd rather do my taxes again then have to put that guide rod back in, and I HATE doing taxes.

[2edgesword]

Bevel & Guide Rod Insertion

Once you add the bevel inserting the guide rod is a piece of cake. That <1mm of bevel makes all the difference. Without it getting the perfect alignment required to make the insertion, given the angle, tolerance between the rod and hole, and especially while compressing the spring, is a real piece of work, which we both found out via trial and error.

[jocko]

how about any of the after market stainless rods, are they beveled.

Has anyone written to kahr and advised them of how hard and how easy it is when the recoil rod has the bevel on it??? Who knows today mighgt be the day that some might be listening...

[TheTman]

Steve Bedair's has a bevel according to the pictures on his sight. $25.00 for the P45 rod. I think that works in the CW45.
Can't get a good enough look at the Kahr shop pics to tell if theirs are or not.

[2edgesword]

Void Warranty

One of the issues that may come into play if you decide to do the work yourself is what impact it will have if you ever need warranty work done on the firearm. My guess is there may be some fine print that says if you alter the firearm in any way it voids the warranty.

[jocko]

i serioulsy doubt if any one puts a taper on the end of the recoil rod that it will void any warranty. I seriously doubt if kahr would even notice it and being that most after market recoil rods are beveled on the end for easier insertion, sounds to me like kahr is behind times.

[Cornel]

I bought my CW45 this last Feb. and it came with a beveled guide rod and I think is about 3" long.

Now, I'm going to see if I modify the top sharp edge of the slide (front to back) to make it look and feel better when carry it. This will make it look (+/-) like the PM45.

Has anyone done this by any chance?

[TheTman]

With the $25.00 you DO get stainless steel. And you can get one with a checkered pattern if that trips your trigger. I will probably go the cheap route and save the $25.00 to put towards some extra mags.

[2edgesword]

i serioulsy doubt if any one puts a taper on the end of the recoil rod that it will void any warranty. I seriously doubt if kahr would even notice it and being that most after market recoil rods are beveled on the end for easier insertion, sounds to me like kahr is behind times.

The Kahr warranty statements says that any unauthorized repair or alteration voids the warranty.

[2edgesword]

So, change back to a stock $3.30 guide rod before you send it in.

Understood...

my point is that if you're going to do any non-authorized work on your Kahr be aware of the impact it could have on your warranty.

[2edgesword]

Yep! 100% good advice. Many people seem to think Kahr CS has some leeway, but I am not convinced. From my interactions, I am believe they are kept on a short leash and get demerits any time they are too generous.

While there may be ways to get around the language of the warranty I would hate for anyone to read this thread, make the modification, have a problem in the future, sent the firearm to Kahr for service only to find out that adding the bevel to the guide rod was grounds for having the warranty service denied. Is Kahr CS forgiving? Maybe, maybe not. I've never dealt with them and even if I had been given a pass in a similar situation my personal experience doesn't dictate their policy or negate the wording of there warranty.

On a lighter note, I spend some time at the range with the CW45. Zero issues and shot the below group at 7 yards. I'm sure I haven't shot the firearm to its capabilities but I'm getting better. And the reassembly after cleaning took of of 1 minute .

[jocko]

Most all gun manuals tell you not to fokk with there guns. They don't want people messing with their guns. Very easy to understand that. I don't see this guide rod thing being even in the same ball park as a modification. But if one is worried about it, like Tucson stated, just keep an extra on hand. Most of the after market guide rods are beveled, so why kahrs are not is maybe a cost saving thing, or something that hell they didn't specify when they had the vendor make them for kahr either.

[Texas]

Second post and second modification to my gun. Wow, I love this site. This was bugging the hell out of me too. I'm no gun expert but the cw45 guide rod was making me look like a pansy when I was trying to reassemble the gun in front of my father in law (Ex Marine and retired police officer). He got it to go in but it took a little maneuvering. I kept practicing and got a little better but it always took me a good 5 minutes. After reading this post at work I was relieved, my guide rod was the same, no bevel. I came home, got the dremel out and put a small bevel on the end. Now it installs like a breeze.

[2edgesword]

Second post and second modification to my gun. Wow, I love this site. This was bugging the hell out of me too. I'm no gun expert but the cw45 guide rod was making me look like a pansy when I was trying to reassemble the gun in front of my father in law (Ex Marine and retired police officer). He got it to go in but it took a little maneuvering. I kept practicing and got a little better but it always took me a good 5 minutes. After reading this post at work I was relieved, my guide rod was the same, no bevel. I came home, got the dremel out and put a small bevel on the end. Now it installs like a breeze.

Glad you found the site and needed help with the guide rod. That bevel makes all the difference between frustration and what should take 2 seconds to accomplish.