a new p45 owner

[jocko]

could be a burr on the magazine slide button that just needs to smooth out. U don't know that and I don't either, everything is out of spec for u. Last resort is to send it back...

If it doesn't work itself out of it with more magazine insertions etc, call kahr and have them send u a new magazine release.

[Jim K]

I'm sure that Kahr does not specify magazine release buttons that do not work. If parts pass QC with extra features like burrs than the part is out of Spec.

You can say that these parts need breaking in loud and often but that line is still B.S.

Kahr pistols are touted as top of the line and they are if they work.
The customer should not have to do the QC work for the company.

Kahr has an excellent service Dept. and a person could be time and money ahead if they take advantage of their guarantee.

Happy Thanksgiving, Jim K

[jocko]

never bought

I'm sure that Kahr does not specify magazine release buttons that do not work. If parts pass QC with extra features like burrs than the part is out of Spec.

You can say that these parts need breaking in loud and often but that line is still B.S.

Kahr pistols are touted as top of the line and they are if they work.
The customer should not have to do the QC work for the company.

Kahr has an excellent service Dept. and a person could be time and money ahead if they take advantage of their guarantee.

Happy Thanksgiving, Jim K

an autombile yet that was not told to keep it under certain rpm's for so many miles etc. Humm wonder what the hell that was for??? Probably in ur eyes,indeed B. S. to.

[Jim K]

Jocko,

The analogy of A Khar pistol and an automobile is interesting. In short, that dog won't come out from under the porch.

If you insist on that analogy please consider that I never had an automobile that I had to drive 200 miles to make sure the doors did not fall off. The owners manual on my automobile advises not to tow anything for the 1st 1000 miles. That's all. I guess I should not tow anything with my P9 pistol? Perhaps I should avoid cyclic rates above 1200 rounds per minute?

I don't want to fight with you, I just want to understand that I'm calling BS.

For the money that Kahr gets for their products they should be flawless right out of the box. 200 rounds to prove the weapon without a hiccup before it can be trusted. If it fails during that initial 200 round proof test then there is something wrong. Send it back.

Happy Holidays, Jim K

[jocko]

oh yes ur want to argue, but heh, ur the man, I am just learning from all ur knowledge. Humm wonder what that means not to tow anything for rthe 1st 1000 miles. Probably a bunch of B. S.

Your the man in my book, no doubt about it..course that could be a bunch of B. S. also..

[Jim K]

oh yes ur want to argue, but heh, ur the man, I am just learning from all ur knowledge. Humm wonder what that means not to tow anything for rthe 1st 1000 miles. Probably a bunch of B. S.

Your the man in my book, no doubt about it..course that could be a bunch of B. S. also..

200 rounds to proof test the weapon. Any failure within that test indicates a defect.

Properly made parts of a pistol should not need to be rubbed together to achieve fit.

If good machine work and quality control is beyond the manufacturers' capability than I suggest that the manufacturer supply enough ammo to prove the weapon for 200 contiguous and trouble free cycles. Just let the customer know that they are doing the QC work.

Life is good, --- ---.

[mr surveyor]

hhhmmmmm... I've never had a problem with working through recommended "break-in" procedures with any mechanical device. Handguns, rifles, cars, pick-up trucks, tractors, outboard motors. But, I grew up in the days of having to drive below 50 miles per hour for the first 1500 miles, then change out the break in oil.... or run the new outboard engine at low idle for the first 3-4 hours, then another 3-4 hours at no more than half throttle. I've had Rugers, Smith and Wesson, Kimber, and other "high quality" handguns that needed several hundred rounds of work to either get the extremely tight tolerance parts melded together, and rifles that needed to be "fire lapped" to get the roughness out of the lands and grooves before they were "right".

Obviously, the auto industry has come a long way in the last 20-30 years, as I don't recall any suggested break-in recommended procedures, but many other mechanical devices still do... and it's worth the trouble, in my opinion.


surv

[jocko]

hhhmmmmm... I've never had a problem with working through recommended "break-in" procedures with any mechanical device. Handguns, rifles, cars, pick-up trucks, tractors, outboard motors. But, I grew up in the days of having to drive below 50 miles per hour for the first 1500 miles, then change out the break in oil.... or run the new outboard engine at low idle for the first 3-4 hours, then another 3-4 hours at no more than half throttle. I've had Rugers, Smith and Wesson, Kimber, and other "high quality" handguns that needed several hundred rounds of work to either get the extremely tight tolerance parts melded together, and rifles that needed to be "fire lapped" to get the roughness out of the lands and grooves before they were "right".

Obviously, the auto industry has come a long way in the last 20-30 years, as I don't recall any suggested break-in recommended procedures, but many other mechanical devices still do... and it's worth the trouble, in my opinion.


surv

10-4 on that, especially in high dollar rifles, the "
fire lapped" thing is a given.

Normally cars today do not need break in oil as the multi viscosity takes care of that. backin the old days of straight weight oils, indeed new cars left the lot with 10W in them to get broken in properly. Today most of the european cars run 0-40w right from the git go . i have owned quit a few German cars, Mercedes, Porsche, Audi and every dealer that I bought from recommended 200-500 mile normal driving breakin..(common sense driving) course to some that would be B. S. also.

[madwill]

well, not to get into the ever ongoing debate about the 200 round break in period i'll say that aside from the slide prematurely closing when loading a full magazine i'm very happy with the handgun and talk about accuracy! i wasn't expecting to get 1" groupings with a short barreled .45

[Jim K]

oh yes ur want to argue, but heh, ur the man, I am just learning from all ur knowledge. Humm wonder what that means not to tow anything for rthe 1st 1000 miles. Probably a bunch of B. S.

Your the man in my book, no doubt about it..course that could be a bunch of B. S. also..

It's obvious you do have a lot to learn. That's not BS.

If a pistol has problems like magazines dropping out, FTE's, FTF's, jams, hair trigger sllide release, and other mechanical problems then it's not serviceable. Period. A weapon with these issues can not be trusted. Shoot it like you stole it but don't trust your life to it. If it needs more rounds down range than it is a range pistol (read toy), not a self defense weapon. If YOU do than it confirms my suspicions.

Life is good. Defend it with a real weapon.

[jocko]

aw ha,words spoken from THE MAN. for all to heed...

and that my friends is no B. S.....


I think we need a sticky on this forum titled: WHAT WOULD JIM K THINK.. It would save alot of time looking on all the threads for his words of wisdom...FWIW

[Jim K]

Damn. Hurt Jocko's feelings. Again.

Sorry bout that, Jim K

[madwill]

i just got my p-45 back

per the letter kahr sent with the gun:
Action Taken: replaced slide stop spring, slide stop, mag catch, follower, recoil spring. lubed. test fired good.

the slide release feels nice and tight again. i'm going to reset the break-in count back to zero since all but the firing spring had been replaced.

i can't wait to test it out.