CW9 carry with one the chamber??

[O'Dell]

No offense meant, Arkansasboy. I'm retired USAF -- enlisted 1964-1968 and 1972-1988 commissioned. I "saw" combat... some pretty close, but never fired at anyone... 'cause they were not close enough and M-60 in the tower above me wasn't firing. I did have a ring-side seat for the ongoing action there on the southern perimeter of Da Nang AB on the morning of the first Tet Offensive, though. I wish I'd had my movie camera then. Subsequent TDYs weren't nearly as exciting.
I've had lots of discussions about shooting at someone for real... like in combat. It's amazing how many AF desk jockeys thought they were trained to kill. Paper targets can't shoot back and you have all the time you need to aim and fire... at the bullseye.
And by the way. THANKS for your service. Not enough people know the sacrifices our armed forces make... AND that blank check you signed... for up to and including your life. My wife is retired USAF as well, but had to go back to work while I take care of the house, etc. She's 10 years younger and her training and degrees translate over to civilian jobs.

Hey Wynn. I was there at the same time, but I was flying off the KittyHawk at Yankee Station as a registered member of the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club. Our first concern at the time of Tet was protecting the Marines at Khe Sanh from being overrun by the NVA. Since ours was a fighter squadron, VF114, this was the only time in my two years over there that I dropped bombs and fired Zuni rockets. I wasn't very good at it, but they never got the base, at least not until 1975.

[wyntrout]

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Wynn

[atypicalparkie]

Hey Wynn, JLottmc & all--
advice well taken. I did indeed go back and re-read the thread! And hope I wasn't thread-jacking. Talked to more folks @ the Clackamas Co. sheriff dept./public range today in more depth-- those people agree with your points. And I'm signing up for a few more training courses Thanks again!

[wyntrout]

We're here to help and learn ourselves. YOU were on the right thread. Some of US, especially me, can get side-tracked, but that's how conversations go.
Practice and training can really help. Shooting your carry weapon lets you learn its capabilities and you improve your shooting skills so that you have a better chance of defending yourself and your family quickly and effectively.
Wynn

[jlottmc]

No worries, Wynn has a good point again. Train, and carry the thing like you mean business. We're all in this together.

[jfrey]

I look at it this way - the first time I rack the slide and it jams a bullet on the feed ramp, I'm glad I carry one in the tube.

As far as snakes or other vermin, I use a Taurus Judge for that duty.

[MattTheKnife]

"I look at it this way - the first time I rack the slide and it jams a bullet on the feed ramp, I'm glad I carry one in the tube"

Excellent point!
I've always said if a person doesn't feel comfortable carrying a modern handgun loaded, they need to immediately get rid of it for a safer system - or maybe training.

Yeah, training's good.

And going back to the snake-shot dilemma: your attempt to flee (if possible and safe), verbal commands, and maybe a white light in the eyes are your less-lethal attempts to stop the threat.

[Mits3kgt88]

I had to mentally train myself to carry with one in the chamber. It's the best way to go. You don't want to be in a tense situation and not be able to quickly rack the slide and fix a malfunction if one occurs. I've heard the stories about people shooting themselves in the foot from carrying a handgun with one in the chamber(namely hammerless autopistols) but it's the operator's fault. There's a firing pin block there for safety reasons but stupidity while holstering will not prevent firing. You just need to learn to trust your gun and carefully holster and unholster when drawing.

[jocko]

keep ur finger up ur nose and out of the trggier area and u are safe as pie..

[Bawanna]

Crap Jocko, another one of my personal secrets out of the bag. I ain't tellin you no more stuff or the whole world will know everything I do.
Feel like a live in a glass house. Guess I better find another place for my finger, maybe I can use that place your always tellin me to put stuff.

icck

[atypicalparkie]

much appreciated

"I look at it this way - the first time I rack the slide and it jams a bullet on the feed ramp, I'm glad I carry one in the tube"

Excellent point!
I've always said if a person doesn't feel comfortable carrying a modern handgun loaded, they need to immediately get rid of it for a safer system - or maybe training.

Yeah, training's good.

And going back to the snake-shot dilemma: your attempt to flee (if possible and safe), verbal commands, and maybe a white light in the eyes are your less-lethal attempts to stop the threat.

You all are rad. Good advice, and advice taken. Carried yesterday & today with a 'real' round in the chamber= no worries. The cw being proven safe to carry with one in the tube, I have no hesitation doing so now with an appropriate 'real' round. (as long as I observe the cardinal rules like 'don't put your finger on the $&£% trigger unless you're gonna shoot') I'm glad those rules are ingrained into my subconscious.

And yep, I'll be taking a different additional 2-day training course each of the next 3 months- all signed up! Thanks all. I'm gonna enjoy hanging out here! (....and have been seriously coveting a Taurus Judge for fun in the woods...)

[Bawanna]

I've kind of got a mild hankering for one of them Judges my self. If you run on to one of them buy one, get one free deals, I'm your man!

I got one for my chiefs mother a few months back. She spends alot of time walking in the woods (I think she's a tree hugger) and wanted something mostly for animals that need to be scared away.
Last word I heard she really liked it. She refused all efforts at getting her an auto of any kind. I respect her for that, smart lady I think.

[Squib]

The way I look at it is if you do not have a round chambered, you are not quite armed.

We have discussed this point ad nausiam at the Old Geezers Sporting Club and Shoeshine Parlor. To cut to the chase, we have kinda, sorta determined some folks do not chamber that first round because they may not be ready to put themselves in the position of taking a life. And, when it comes down to it, there is another "safety" procedure between them and a target.

Of course, by then it's too late. If you carry, you have to make that decision prior to walking out the door. It's a straight foward and brutal choice.

[franco45]

I am in agreement with the concensus on this topic. I thought long and hard before I decided to carry. I am a retired juvenile parole officer and observed societal decline over the last 20 years. There are evil people out there who are not afraid to carry "one in the pipe". I do not want to put another step between me and protecting myself and my loved ones.

[recoilguy]

One in the pipe is the way to go. It has been my observation that folks who carry with out one in the pipe want to feel protected, those carrying with one in the tube want to be protected.

Just calling it like I see it. Carrying with a real bullet in the chamber requires that you take extra care.....it a gun you should take extra care.

RCG