To Kahr: Fix the P380 or quit selling it.

[TheTman]

The P380 is really giving Kahr a black eye, I would suggest you either
fix the pistol so that it runs well or else take it off the market until you
can get it to run reliably. I'm looking for a .380, but after reading all the
horror stories about the P380, and repeated trips back to the factory,
there is no way I am going to spend extra money on a P380, when I can
get an LCP or other RELIABLE .380 for about half the price of a P380.
I have a Kahr CW40 and CW45 and really like them both, even though
the CW45 had to go back to the factory once. It was fixed and back in
my hands exactly one week later, and has been flawless since.
Why can't you get the P380 to run properly? I'd sure take it off the market until such time as you can produce a reliable product that one can
depend on to possibly save his life. As it is, I'd rather have a box of rocks than the P380 as it's for the most part just something to throw at a Bad Guy.

[jocko]

that outta make someone's pecker flutter at kahr. Only thing I can fault u with is that it should have every signature of this kahr talk forum besides yours..

[TheTman]

Well Jocko, hopefully people will see the thread and voice their agreement.

[TheTman]

You know, I think I'm gonna buy one of those Hellcats, it's about the cheapest .380 I can find, and see how reliable it is, compared to a $500 gun.

[knkali]

I know it seems like a sore subject and one that has been brought up here a lot recently, BUT are there as many complaints about other brands of guns on websites dedicated to that specific brand also? I do not frequent other sites to know.
It seems like there are a lot here. Therefore, I have purchased a holster and mag pouches and I am going to use my P40 in an IDPA drill or two to see if this gun really does perform as well I as I think it would. At the range it seems fine but with the added stresses of competition, I want to see if I get any FTF or FTRB or ?? It might not be the gun at all if problems happen but the shooter/gun combo not a good fit. Either way, I have to know

I guess I agree with the OP that the .380 is getting a lot of heat here. My wife is looking for a .380 and the Kahr would be ideal. I have been wondering what is up with this model myself recently due to the press here at this forum.

[FLBri]

a strong second, from me. The bad reviews on repetitive issues is what has kept me from owing one ... and as well putting one in my wife's hands.

[JFootin]

No way Hose

+1 on buying a P380. No way, Hose, am I going to wager that kind of money hoping I will get a properly functioning gun. The P380 is beautiful, but with the high dissatisfaction with the P380, some other options need to be looked at. This, IMO, looks like a viable alternative, and even more concealable than the others. Much less expensive than the P380, too.

It is the new .380 from Magnum Research, the Micro Desert Eagle. It is an all metal gun with a gas delayed blowback system, and it is quite a bit smaller than the rest of the .380 crowd. It is a licensed copy of the Czech ZVI Kevin, with minor cosmetic changes, made in the U.S. by Magnum Research. So, it is not a brand new, unproven design. Jeff Quinn does a good report on it, saying the accuracy was quite surprisingly good from a 2.3" barrel: http://www.gunblast.com/MicroDesertEagle.htm




Here is a review where a guy put 1000 rounds through one. 500 dirty reloads before he stopped to clean it, although it was cleaned and lubed before the range session. It was flawless. http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=1230

And I just looked and Jet Guns has it in stock for $389 - http://www.jetguns.com/magnum-resear...nkl-p-351.html

There are a lot of things to like about this design: it has a metal frame; no offset feed ramp; strait blowback with gas retardation - allowing for low felt recoil, a lighter recoil spring and easy racking; very easy disassembly by rotating the barrel 180°; no complicated reinsertion of a slide lock lever, being sure to get the end of a spring on a shelf; noticeably shorter in length and height than any other micro .380; no DIY modifications to springs, and mags and followers, polishing this, removing burrs from that to make it work right; and from the test reported above, this is a gun that you can use and abuse and run dirty, and it'll never let you down.

The only minuses that I see are it isn't a pretty gun and the slide doesn't lock back on an empty magazine. Big deal. I'm going to be carrying it in a pocket, not looking at it. And the slide racks easily, so not having a slide stop is no biggie.

JMHO, but I am about decided on this as my pocket .380.

[Bawanna]

Your really drinking the same kool aid too as MRI is a Kahr owned product.

Just to show the other side of the coin I got one of those a couple years ago for trial and eval for the officers to consider. We could not get a full mag shot without jams. We tried a full box and sent it back in frustration. It was a loaner so I couldn't play with it or try to cure anything.
I'm pretty sure the newer ones are much better, at least thats the rumor and apparently based on reviews it must be true.

Not throwing the wet blanket just letting you know that none of these little 380's are completely without issue in some part of their lives.

The guys incidently went with the Taurus 738? Much to my dismay. I tried to discourage but they like them, I think there are about 5 of them floating around here now. Like rabbits I guess.

[TheTman]

That is a nice pistol JFootin, but I'm curious as to how a pistol selling for under $200 will compare problem wise to the P380 selling for over $500. On a less than $200 gun you might expect a few problems, you pay $500 for something, you expect it to run pretty good right out of the box.

[jocko]

let me understand this bawanna, if you put a couple of rabbits together, they are gonna make a Taurus 738. Where can I buy these rabbits?//

understand now that I only am allowed one knife in my drawer so alittle explanation might help. I might have missed a word or two in ur comments that was important..

[knkali]

what is the weight difference from the MRI .380 and P.380?

[knkali]

Remember the Colt Pocketlite .380. I have one for 20 years now. Never cleaned it yet. Put approx 800 rnds through it. Still fires every time. I think the desighn was sold to Sig because their .380 looks just like it. Too heavy though for my wife's intended carry.

[beatlesfan]

I'm just gonna go ahead and throw my vote in here. I've wanted a p380 for over a year now. It's smaller and more concealable than my ppk/s. I'm just waiting for Kahr to fix the design before I buy one.

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[jocko]

as much as I like the P380 in looks design etc and own one myself (that has gone back once), I could not recommend one to buy it, unless I wanted to loose a friend. A new right now means nadda to me as if this "IS THE FIX". Give it a year IMO.

I could certainly recommend every other model that kahr makes and feel good about it..

[Bawanna]

let me understand this bawanna, if you put a couple of rabbits together, they are gonna make a Taurus 738. Where can I buy these rabbits?//

understand now that I only am allowed one knife in my drawer so alittle explanation might help. I might have missed a word or two in ur comments that was important..

I'm still researching the rabbit effect along with airport toilet seats causing children, I'll share that theory another time.

They took away my one and only knife I had in the drawer and now all I'm allowed is a spoon so I'm slightly below you in the edge department.