Skeptical about Kahr

[LaP]

My CW9 has no problems..... trigger, slide, magazines, etc.
I carry it.... therefore I trust it.

[patbelly]

I've heard some people say they didn't like the Kahr triggers. Hey, that's the way it goes, but never heard of "issues" with the trigger. My two Kahrs, CW9 and CW45, have excellent triggers. Try out the CW9 or any others. I doubt you'll be disappointed.
Welcome to Kahr!

[Cokeman]

What are the trigger problems?

[jocko]

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What are the trigger problems?

trigger bar has been a subject of some issues, due to out of spec . It is considered part of the trigger system. Lately though have not really read anyore about this occuring either

[CJB]

Not picking on ya HPG..... but there seems to be a little pattern going on.

Welcome all newcomers!

The board will get a fairly new, and/or previously lurking member, who reads and reads and soaks in all the information here, and begins to get skeptical of the Kahrs.

Don't be.

EVERY GUN MANUFACTURER puts out an item here and there that has issues.
For me -
Ruger Super Blackhawk 7-1/2 had bad recoil plate
Ruger Blackhawk 357 had a bad cylinder.
Smith & Wesson Model 60 broke a pin in the frame
H&K P9s sheared its screws in the frame twice!
FN Herstal FAL (civilian, semi auto) kept going full auto... gas mechanism problem
Trying to think of others... bad barrels from Colt in the late 80's .. galore.

Ok - problems happen. Right now I'm manufacturing some parts for irrigation use... big irrigation... sprinklers that throw 90 feet. I've got a part I sub out that is giving us fits. We can make them one off, but the sub cannot make them in production. I've been there four times correcting problems. I think we finally got it down "perfect". I feel the pain of Kahr or Ruger or Colt or any of 'em... its a hard thing to do, even with automation.

So, problems happen - the question is - what do they do about it?

Kahr replaced my frame, and slide... in about 15 days. That was a PM45 that had 300-400 rounds through it. Since then, great stuff, ZERO problems. I was impressed to say the least! So much so, I had no hesitation buying good clean USED Kahr's (pre-owned?). They both shot GREAT. That was a PM9 and a PM45 that I bought from members here. ZERO issues... great transactions... and I didn't have to spend on ammo to break them in

Kahr's design is a good one. Justin did his homework.

I love my .45's... now they're called "1911s". Back when I was starting to shoot, the 1911 was just known as "a forty five", and that was it. I've owned at least 25 of them, built up countless numbers of them, reworked even countless more... built and worked on guns that were winners in the Team Challenge events. I like 45's. I think I've got 8 or 9 of 'em right now. I'd have to count! Last three were built with Colt and Remington-Rand and ODI slides on Caspian frames... everything done "my way" (which is not mainstream to say the least!). This was all prior to my Kahr days.

Then I went to look at a Kahr, during Daytona Bike Week last year. That was it. I knew it when I saw it. Small, light, good design (simple, even elegantly so). I bought it, and now I own three. Speaking of elegant.... the design of the Kahr cocking cam is as elegant as it gets. What it does, so simply, by its complex design... is just amazing, and its the heart and soul of the Kahr trigger's great feel. Just an amazing piece of design work, and implementation.

Kahr's are good. They are not target guns, but they're accurate. They're a special breed, designed and intended for carry, and carry performance.

They do it well.

I hope all the newbies take this monolog to heart. Dismiss the problems - this board exists in many ways, to help with problems, so you're gonna see problems here. Look at the big picture... look at what you're getting... jeeze, its a Kahr pistol... a GREAT PISTOL... nothing shoots or carries like a Kahr. I know, because I've carried quite a few pistols (and a few revolvers).

There ya go. Said my stuff. Be happy. Get a Kahr.

[TriggerMan]

Hello everyone,

I'm thinking about a Kahr CW9, but I've been reading about all the trigger issues and now I'm not sure I want a Kahr.......hpg

Kahr's don't have trigger issues. It has a long smooth DA trigger. You either accept it and like it or you don't.

You truly need to shoot a couple of Kahrs. If you like the ergos, the trigger and its accurate for you at self defense range, BUY it. Otherwise keep looking.

[JFootin]

Very well said, CJB! +++

[jouesdeveau]

Sure it's a long trigger pull, but let's put it in perspective. One of the best pulls in the history of hand guns was the pre-1948 S&W M&Ps.

Yup, youngsters: that's a revolver and one of the smoothest DAs ever. And NO safety. I would compare it with the Kahr PM9. All it takes is a little getting used to.

In some way it's helpful being sooo smooth that you can't feel the break coming. A PM9 is not designed for target work, but that unannounced break after a long pull is great for it.

[TriggerMan]

Sure it's a long trigger pull, but let's put it in perspective. One of the best pulls in the history of hand guns was the pre-1948 S&W M&Ps.

Yup, youngsters: that's a revolver and one of the smoothest DAs ever. And NO safety. I would compare it with the Kahr PM9. All it takes is a little getting used to.

In some way it's helpful being sooo smooth that you can't feel the break coming. A PM9 is not designed for target work, but that unannounced break after a long pull is great for it.

There comes a time when you may actually want to aim at something and hit it. I've noticed many guns come with sights, often, night sights. If you assume you will be within arms length, any gun will do. We wouldn't need to discuss our favorite brands. Give me a SA trigger or a shorter, slightly lighter DA pull. I don't need a long trigger as a safety, I use a quality holster and keep my finger where it belongs. Two sides to every story.

[jouesdeveau]

There comes a time when you may actually want to aim at something and hit it. I've noticed many guns come with sights, often, night sights. If you assume you will be within arms length, any gun will do. We wouldn't need to discuss our favorite brands. Give me a SA trigger or a shorter, slightly lighter DA pull. I don't need a long trigger as a safety, I use a quality holster and keep my finger where it belongs. Two sides to every story.

I agree with you. If you're looking for protection at close range, you can eliminate many of the issues we normally discuss. It all depends on you're "aiming at" (so to speak).

I got my PM9 for concealed carry, but the fact is that I often bring it to the range and have a lot of fun target shooting or just plinking. The nice thing about a Kahr is that although it's designed for one purpose (protection), it may serve others as well (having fun).

[Bobby]

Yeah thoses long trigger pulls take sooooooo long to pull throught... see video below..

[raptorider]

Kahr triggers are way better than the lc9,,last lc9 I shot the trigger was horrible,my cw45 and cm9 are way better,,better than my glock's too..trying to trade my g-19 for a pm9 now!!!(in all black)

[hpg]

The horrible trigger pull is the main reason I traded my LC9.....I believe I'm going to order a CW9 and give it a try....hpg

[Squib]

Right now I would not even consider a P380. However, my CW9 has never missed a beat. It has been flawless out of the box and has cycled everything I've fed it. Granted the trigger is somewhat long, but that's a safety issue.

[Bawanna]

Yeah thoses long trigger pulls take sooooooo long to pull throught... see video below..

Whats that video look like when it's not in slow motion?

Seriously (well I don't do serious) but that's really putting em down lickety split.