pm9, cm9, p380 is there a difference??

[jocko]

kinda funny how many report how their cm or pm series kahr has replaced the ol trusty glocks..in larger percentages.

[bapple]

kinda funny how many report how their cm or pm series kahr has replaced the ol trusty glocks..in larger percentages.

Kahr found a niche in the market that Glock refused to fill... slim, single stack CC handguns. Glock makes "compacts" but it's like carrying around a piece of lumber because it's so thick.

[josp]

I guess I like to be different. I went from my PM9 to my P380 for EDC in my pocket. For belt use I go with my P45. Sometimes I carry both. My experiences with Kahrs have been flawless, except for a CM40 that the company fixed pronto.

[dirtkicker]

kinda funny how many report how their cm or pm series kahr has replaced the ol trusty glocks..in larger percentages.

I am one of those many that you speak of, due to the size factor for concealment. I will carry my G26 when I can get away with it. Both fine weapons, both very reliable. Just different animals. Blondes and brunettes. I like em both!

[Popeye]

I went from XD's to Kahrs because I wanted a good Single stack 9mm.

[BroncoAZ]

I've got a P380 and PM9. I find the PM9 flops around too much in a loose pocket, and bulges too much in a tight pocket. I can carry the P380 in a pocket holster in any attire.

My P380 is very reliable with the right ammo, narrow pointy JHP rounds like the Hornady FTX (same as their lame zombie ammo) feed great, wide mouthed JHP like the Winchester PDX1 get stuck on the steep feed ramp. It works great with all of the FMJ ammo I've tried.

I'm another one of those who doesn't carry a Glock anymore because there are smaller options. I love Glocks, I have over a dozen of them and they are my go to firearm, but I just can't see carrying one when there are great single stack options available. If I were LE or in some high risk occupation I would carry a Glock 23 with a Kahr as a backup, but I'm Joe citizen.

[Wayne Nelson]

For the $200 difference, get the CM9. If you shop around you can even find one for less than that. I picked up a brand new factory CM9 with a blemish from GRABAGUN (Don't know what the blemish was) for $347 + $6 for shipping to my FFL Dealer. A "BLEMISHED" is only that, something cosmetic, not a "REFURBISHED" which is a factory refurbished gun.

If you can wait a couple more months, look at at the new Sig 9mm P938, looks like the ticket to me!! The price looks like it will be around the $650 range though. But, I would also wait until the 2nd generation comes out so that they get any bugs worked out with the first bunch. That could be another year for that to happen.

[BroncoAZ]

If you can wait a couple more months, look at at the new Sig 9mm P938, looks like the ticket to me!! The price looks like it will be around the $650 range though. But, I would also wait until the 2nd generation comes out so that they get any bugs worked out with the first bunch. That could be another year for that to happen.

I keep on seeing references to the Sig P938. I'm sure they will be well made and nice pistols, but they are exactly to opposite of what I want from a CCW pistol. Cocked and locked carry with single action only, an exposed hammer, exposed manual safety, pronounced beavertail, etc. are all wrong in a pocket pistol to me. I want a double action or Glock action trigger, no exposed hammer/snag points, no manual safety to manipulate, very foolproof to use, etc.

[kerby9mm]

I have 2 p238's so I guess they aren't FOOLPROOF!

[BroncoAZ]

I have 2 p238's so I guess they aren't FOOLPROOF!

The foolproof comment isn't a dig at anyone. My point is that the act of having to either cock the hammer or thumb off the safety on the P238 before firing takes more mental ability than simply drawing the gun from concealment and pulling a longer DA trigger. In a high stress situation I want as simple of an interface as possible, something foolproof without additional actions to make ready to fire is preferable.

[JFootin]

BroncoAZ, the SA trigger on the 238/938 is 7.5-8.5 pounds. May sound crazy, but couldn't it be carried in a good holster cocked and unlocked? After all, wouldn't a lot of people be taking the safety off as they drew the gun, anyway? That's not exactly a hair trigger. And I understand that Sig Armorers won't do trigger jobs on these guns.

[Deano]

I found some nice docker pants with a zippered cargo pocket that perfectly fits my uncle george's pocket holster for the cm9. Easy to get out, accessible when driving or just sitting, and just looks like a day-timer or book in your pocket. Also leaves your other pockets free for car keys, wallets, knives, etc.. Here's a couple of pics.
http://www.box.com/s/c4u2evscbkkv35z22z45

[BroncoAZ]

BroncoAZ, the SA trigger on the 238/938 is 7.5-8.5 pounds. May sound crazy, but couldn't it be carried in a good holster cocked and unlocked? After all, wouldn't a lot of people be taking the safety off as they drew the gun, anyway? That's not exactly a hair trigger. And I understand that Sig Armorers won't do trigger jobs on these guns.

I guess it could be carried in a holster cocked and unlocked (Condition 0), but it is not a decision that I would carry a single action pistol with, and it goes against the advise of every 1911 person on the web. Some of the P238 threads advocate carrying it in condition 2 (hammer down) or 3 (no round in chamber), both of which are useless for a sellf defense situation. These guns don't have a grip safety either. As for the 8 lb trigger, although Sig won't do it, a quick google search shows many threads about reducing it to 4.5 lb.

Regardless of the condition carried, the beavertail and cocked hammer still do not lend themselves to a clean draw from a pocket, IWB, or concealing garment.

[BroncoAZ]

I found some nice docker pants with a zippered cargo pocket that perfectly fits my uncle george's pocket holster for the cm9. Easy to get out, accessible when driving or just sitting, and just looks like a day-timer or book in your pocket. Also leaves your other pockets free for car keys, wallets, knives, etc.. Here's a couple of pics.
http://www.box.com/s/c4u2evscbkkv35z22z45

The pants and holster look good, but you might find that 20 oz of pistol beats the heck out of the side of your knee by the end of the day. I carried a G26 in a cargo pocket like that for exactly one day.

[Deano]

The pants and holster look good, but you might find that 20 oz of pistol beats the heck out of the side of your knee by the end of the day. I carried a G26 in a cargo pocket like that for exactly one day.

Yeah, haven't tried it out yet. I'll let you all know how my knee holds up.