Modified PM9 Base Plates

[LorenzoB]

For me, the aluminum would actually be easier to machine (chips can't mix for recycling and I don't feel like cleaning out the machine before and after).

Aluminum machines like butter anyways with good equipment and carbide tools, and you can anodize it whatever color you want. The only reason I could think of using plastic is the feel of the temperature difference on the grip if I make a version with a pinky extension, but I don't think that would bother me. The thinner areas plastic would be weaker than aluminum. Black Delrin (plastic) could be a good option, but I would need to check it's chemical compatibility.

Ol'coot's design looks awesome how it blends to the bottom of the grip and meets up with the backstrap. That is one of my plans... to make it look like the polymer frame and magazine were engineered together rather than the "afterthought" look. Right now it looks like the designers said "oops we forgot this thing needs bullets, quick, someone find a magazine that will fit before we get fired!". You're right, the radius on the back/bottom of the grip does make things a bit more difficult (but not impossible) for this plan.

The other plan is to make one that is just really low profile, black, and close the gap some between the frame and the base plate.

Tilos, I definitely welcome the help, and I may need to "pick your brain" on this soon, but I need a little time to get further along first so I know what questions to ask.

[jg rider]

I'm just thinking. Are we trying to reinvent the Covert

[TucsonMTB]

The other plan is to make one that is just really low profile, black, and close the gap some between the frame and the base plate.

That would be awesome! I would be hoping to buy at least two, or perhaps as many as four depending on cost. Admittedly, my wife might suggest that our existing bases are "good enough".

So many toys . . . such a limited budget!

Best of luck with your project!

[Tilos]

The other plan is to make one that is just really low profile, black, and close the gap some between the frame and the base plate.

See my pic in post #8

$8.80 from Kahr...why bother making one

http://www.kahr.com/Pistol-Parts/Kah...se-7-round.asp

just sayin'

[LorenzoB]

See my pic in post #8

$8.80 from Kahr...why bother making one

http://www.kahr.com/Pistol-Parts/Kah...se-7-round.asp

just sayin'

I saw that you took the extended one from Kahr and modified it. It looks good. Better than the original for sure. I just think there is still room for improvement, and you still had to make it by cutting and sanding. My "cutting and sanding" comes in the form of a CNC machine. When I get a chance to make something cool, I like to use the machine instead of whipping out my Dremel.

I'll post a photo later of a mounting plate I made for my camera so you can see what I mean.

[LorenzoB]

I'm just thinking. Are we trying to reinvent the Covert

huh?

[jg rider]

huh?

My mind is going. It looks like everybody here is trying to extend the grip for an all finger hold. IIRC Kahr made a pistol called The Covert that had a P9 frame with a PM9 slide. Am I remembering it right?

Instead of an extended mag finger extension you'd have a full grip, plus one extra round, with a short pm slide.

[LorenzoB]

Oh.

jg, I agree with you.
I really think there would have to be a few versions for different purposes.

1) It would be good to have a very low profile mag plate that is covert.
2) And then another with a pinky extension so you have more control without a big grip, but still concealable (helpful for large hands).
3) And yet another with a longer magazine (1 more round) that is even less concealable but more fun at the range.

I was planning to start with option 1 and 3.
I would also like option 3 (and maybe option 1) to blend into the bottom of the gun to form that "palm swell" Tilos mentioned earlier and look as nice as Ol'coot's modification.

[Tilos]

Having free machine time and tooling is a good reason to play...for you, but I no longer have accesss to any.
And the reason I was looking into benchtop cnc mills and would go the delron route.

Even when I did, people always asked me to "make stuff" that I would BUY rather than make for myself.
I would shame them by pulling out my wallet and offer money so they could BUY the item they wanted ME to make.

My limit was the pissed stained toilet seat hinge one guy wanted me to weld:7:.
Don't jepardize your job over a mag base

Tilos

[TucsonMTB]

My mind is going. It looks like everybody here is trying to extend the grip for an all finger hold. IIRC Kahr made a pistol called The Covert that had a P9 frame with a PM9 slide. Am I remembering it right?

Instead of an extended mag finger extension you'd have a full grip, plus one extra round, with a short pm slide.

Actually, the covert pistols that Kahr produced featured a shorter grip with a longer slide, sort of like a P40 with a PM40 grip. The people who have them like the longer barrel & slide for greater velocity and a longer sight radius. The shorter vertical height of the pistol is intended to aid in concealment.

If you search the forum, you will probably find some older posts by people who have since duplicated Kahr's work now that Kahr has stopped offering the Covert models.

[jg rider]

Actually, the covert pistols that Kahr produced featured a shorter grip with a longer slide, sort of like a P40 with a PM40 grip. The people who have them like the longer barrel & slide for greater velocity and a longer sight radius. The shorter vertical height of the pistol is intended to aid in concealment.

If you search the forum, you will probably find some older posts by people who have since duplicated Kahr's work now that Kahr has stopped offering the Covert models.

Duuuuuh ! Does my description qualify as dyslexic?

[TucsonMTB]

Duuuuuh ! Does my description qualify as dyslexic?

When that happens to me, I prefer to think of it as a powerful intellectual engine spinning the tires as it blasts across the starting line . . .

My wife has a different theory . . .

[Tilos]

Covert, pm series, same, sameo grip length

Not re-inventing anything here, just base plate options...without the hook and gap aka pierce, without the gap aka kahr, without the useless additional length and funny little hook thingy aka CW9, nothing more than that.

And because we can, it's the American way

[LorenzoB]

Having free machine time and tooling is a good reason to play...for you, but I no longer have accesss to any.
And the reason I was looking into benchtop cnc mills and would go the delron route.

Even when I did, people always asked me to "make stuff" that I would BUY rather than make for myself.
I would shame them by pulling out my wallet and offer money so they could BUY the item they wanted ME to make.

My limit was the pissed stained toilet seat hinge one guy wanted me to weld:7:.
Don't jepardize your job over a mag base

Tilos

That is hilarious! Sometimes I feel the same way. People always ask me to fix their computers, and sometimes I feel like just handing them $100 and telling them to visit the Geek Squad at Best Buy.

[jg rider]

Covert, pm series, same, sameo grip length
And because we can, it's the American way

Ok OK I get it! You don't have to rub it in. You're being very insensitive to my feeling