How Many PM Rounds Stashed in the House?

[Bawanna]

In a different post and quoted out of context....I still don't understand the rationale behind alternating off-brand fmj range ammunition with quality and different weight hollowpoints in the same magazine for self defense. That's a potential recipe for disaster.

I think this practice would be from the group with little faith in the stopping power or the 9mm. Not sure I should admit that I'm a long time member of this group. That being said if you like 9's and have confidence in them then I think they are really really good and the weapon of choice for YOU. Many folks who carry 380's, 25's and such carry all FMJ hoping for at least penetration. Apparently alternating one would at least have the FMJ every other shot if the hollow points get plugged with heavy clothing or just fail to do their job due to lack of horsepower. I work with several who believe that it's all about shot placement and size doesn't matter. I'm planning for the worst, gallons of adrenaline, everything bad, I'm still going for placement best I can but I'm sticking with big, heavy and not so fast. Course I could be wrong. I was wrong once, I think it was back in 68, or maybe 69.
I don't see a potential recipe for disaster unless the gun is sensitive to feeding due to the different bullet weights, velocity etc. Some are, some aren't.

[jeepster09]

Not specifically for the PM9, but maybe 4500 rounds of 9mm at the moment. Had quite a bit more, but stopped buying during the "insanity". Now that prices have dropped, I'll probably restock.

Holy crap....sounds like your running low better get out and stock up before the invasion:80:

[jeepster09]

I have about 4000 rounds in my bedroom closet, various manufacturers (Win, Rem, Federal mostly) - temp and humidity controlled. I stocked up quite a bit when the government questioned whether rule of law would hold up during the moment when the world's banking system was in jeopardy. Scary moment waiting for the Asian market to open on that Monday with Paulson and Bernanke pitching the bailout to Congress. Will try to keep no less than 1500 rounds around as I go through what I have.

:75:

I heard the BLACK HELICOPTERS are coming to your neighborhood too.

[TxKahr]

In a different post and quoted out of context....I still don't understand the rationale behind alternating off-brand fmj range ammunition with quality and different weight hollowpoints in the same magazine for self defense. That's a potential recipe for disaster.

Care to elaborate on the potential recipe for disaster?

Apparently alternating one would at least have the FMJ every other shot if the hollow points get plugged with heavy clothing or just fail to do their job due to lack of horsepower.

This is the reason I alternate between FMJ and JHP.

TxKahr

[mx5fan]

Not specifically for the PM9, but maybe 4500 rounds of 9mm at the moment. Had quite a bit more, but stopped buying during the "insanity". Now that prices have dropped, I'll probably restock.

Now I know why I've not been able to find any 9mm in Colorado

Just kidding, I wish I had 4500 rounds of 9mm.

[jeep45238]

It may not be a PM, but I keep at least a case of .223 and 7.62x54R (I like shooting my rifles - a LOT). I have 6,000 .22LR's on hand, which I shoot about 500-1,000 of per week out of handguns and rifles.

I try to keep as much .45acp on hand as possible, which means I need to cast more lead. .22LR and .45ACP are my primary handgun rounds - I went through 350 .45ACP's today. Only way I can afford to shoot that is buy reloading, and casting my own bullets from wheel weights. 50 rounds costs me $3.25, about the same as a box of .22LR.



I shoot a LOT compared to most people though - round count was almost 16,000 last year.

Guess the answer is "I don't have enough rounds in the house."

[Valkyrie]

Care to elaborate on the potential recipe for disaster?



This is the reason I alternate between FMJ and JHP.

TxKahr

The concept of alternating rounds is called "Dutch loading" and rarely makes sense. In this case, the idea of having a hollow point get plugged with clothing effectively turns it into hardball, causing greater penetration than a fuilly expanded hollow point. Adding FMJ to the mix only insures overpenetration, making a through-and-though with a 9mm probable.

This may not be a big deal in the woods somewhere, but on the street or in your house it becomes an issue when a child is killed in another room in the house or little Susie playing in the street takes a wayward round.

The thing that makes the most sense is to do some research on-line and buy only dependable rounds that will still expand after traveling through up to four layers of denim.

[jocko]

sounlds

just reread this.....why would you do that??

l:33:ike someone who does not know if the glass if half full our half empty

[TxKahr]

The concept of alternating rounds is called "Dutch loading" and rarely makes sense. In this case, the idea of having a hollow point get plugged with clothing effectively turns it into hardball, causing greater penetration than a fuilly expanded hollow point. Adding FMJ to the mix only insures overpenetration, making a through-and-though with a 9mm probable.

This may not be a big deal in the woods somewhere, but on the street or in your house it becomes an issue when a child is killed in another room in the house or little Susie palying in the street takes a wayward round.

The thing that makes the most sense is to do some research on-line and buy only dependable rounds that will still expand after traveling through up to four layers of denim.

Thank you for the clear and concise description of the issue. Do you have any particular JHP that fits the bill of expanding after penetrating four layers of denim?

Also, will a standard pressure 115G FMJ pass through a body?

On the original question, I am now up to 1250 FMJs and 200 JHPs in my stash.

TxKahr

[medezyner]

Being involved in a SD shooting is bad enough, never mind one where the round exited and was heading for parts unknown. I'll take my chances that a 124 gr +P JHP doesnt get too clogged to do it's job. Damn, even if it does get clogged, that baby's gonna leave a mark for sure! Thinking about it makes me want to work on the ole Mozambique Drill a bit more.

[LLDJR]

@ 5000 rounds of 9mm, .40, 45 and some .22lr

[Valkyrie]

TxKahr,

There are many top notch 9mm rounds that will penetrate four layers of denim and expand reliably. Your best bet is to Google "Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo". This will take you to a website with some of the most definitive studies of SD ammo with results (and pics) composed by Dr. Gary Roberts, one of the most respected ballisticians today.

RE: 9mm hardball penetration. There have been many cases of through-and-through penetrations of humans with this round. I have no idea why anyone would use FMJ for defense, unless they had nothning else. Its ineffectiveness as a fight stopper is legendary and one of the main complaints of the military since we went from the 1911 to the M9.

For our personal use, my wife and I carry Federal HST 124 gr ammo in either our Bowie Tactical G19's or our Bowie PM9's.

Hope this helps.

Stay safe and check 360.