outstanding pm9

[jwr]

I've looked at the 238 -- cute little pistol. However, I worried about the beaver-tail in a pocket and potential snags trying to draw. It's also not that much smaller than a PM9 (certainly no where near as small as a P3AT), so the PM9 was a better choice for me.

I understand your concerns about the beavertail but haven't found it to be a problem--it's not very pronounced.

As for the P238 versus the P3AT, they're actually very close with the P238 being just a little longer as you can see from this pic borrowed from this thread: KTOG Forum - Comparison Of Sig P238 Vs. Kel-Tec P3AT


As I mentioned in another thread, the main reason I went with the P238 over the PM9 for pocket carry is the extra thickness of the PM9.


Of course a Kahr P380 blows the P238 away when it comes to size, but there wasn't one in the case when I bought my P238 and the 238 was on sale.

I think if you have to have just one carry gun then the PM9 is the better all-around gun. Fortunately I can carry my P238 when I need a a pocket gun and my CW9 when I can carry IWB or OWB.

[wyntrout]

jwr: (And given the choice of looking down the barrel of a loaded pistol or carrying by the time-proven method of cocked & locked, I choose cocked and locked )

Hey! It just goes to show that Confucius was right when he said, "It is better to look foolish, than to open mouth and remove all doubt."
This hinders asking questions, though. How will we know they are stupid ones unless we ask them?
Wynn

[jwr]

Hey! It just goes to show that Confucius was right when he said, "It is better to look foolish, than to open mouth and remove all doubt."
This hinders asking questions, though. How will we know they are stupid ones unless we ask them?
Wynn

No offense intended Wynn--you mentioned it again in regards to cocked & locked so I thought it was fair game

Just goes to show we all choose our own poison--I guess mine is "cocked & locked", and yours is.. well... that other thing

Regards!

[wyntrout]

Hey, I carried my P12 cocked and locked, but I didn't try to shove it into my pocket -- not that it would fit! But, at least it had a grip safety... not that I like junk moving around on my grip!
Oh, and that other thing... did you know that you can tell if the chamber is loaded or not, well... loaded, by the extractor protruding when gripping a round in the chamber...BUT, you can't use that to tell that the chamber is empty?
How many times do you see them in the movies pulling the slide back to check if there's a round in the chamber, then letting the slide back closed gently? Or gently racking a round to be quiet? That doesn't always work with Kahrs and I don't want to disturb my little buddy who's all comfy in battery position.
Wynn

[jocko]

certainly

I had a Sig 238 and sold it because I was not comfortable carrying it cocked and locked in pocket. Great gun just not for me.:40:

not a pocket gun and if one is going to carry it waist band, he might as well get a 9mm or bigger. Ther Sig is a nice gun but wold not bemy choice for a 380 to CARRY. Own two 380's one lcp a nice gun one kahr P380 with xs big dot sights , a suepr nice gun. both tend to sit home about 99% of the time do to be ing out trumped by my PM9, which seems to go everywhere my P380 did with almost as much ease,but certainly more firepower...

[jwr]

One thing I find very interesting about this cocked & locked discussion is the number of people who are comfortable carrying IWB or OWB with their gun cocked and locked but not in pocket for fear of having the safety bumped off.

While carrying OWB/IWB there are a huge number of holsters which do not cover the safety leaving it free to rub against your side. Slides, paddles, whatever. I think having that gun rocking back and forth as you move around would be much more likely to bump the safety off than having it sit nicely in a pocket holster where it doesn't move. Think about it. Have any of you 1911-ish guys *ever* accidentally *bumped* your safety off while you weren't actually handling the gun? Be honest.

It's been my experience with my Colts and with the P238 that "bumping" the safety will not move it. There is a very positive snap each direction. You would have to smack it pretty good in which case I think you'd know to check it *and* the trigger is still covered.

Oh well, I will continue to carry cocked & locked both in pocket and at my side--in holsters that cover the trigger and the safety. :-)

Regards!

[jocko]

as long as you feel safe with it, that is all that matters. Just IMO not sure a cocked and locked gun was ever thought of being a pocket gun no matter what size it is. I just can't make myself grab my lcp or P380 which now both just sit and cry alot, when I can stick my PM9 in the same place.

[twodogs]

Thanks for the great info folks. I am a newbie here. I have been considering a few different cc pieces. I already have a LCP, LCR, and a Stoeger Cougar. I am trying to sell a Kel Tec P11. I am considering the PM9 & the sig p250.

If there is anyone that has first-hand experience with the pm9 vs the 250, I would love to hear it.

[jocko]

one will fit in your pocket easily, one will not... If our gonna waist band carry then it is a mute point. I would probably opt towards the sig then.