PM9 feed issue

[jeepster09]

Has anyone else had a problem when putting in new magazine the first round does not go in without a lot of hassle...
Once the first is in the remaining rounds all cycle fine. I would hate to have to switch mags during a time of need and have the first new round jamb. It does it on every mag change on my PM9.

[jeep45238]

Are you using the slide stop or are you grabbing the slide and pulling it back?

Are you loading the magazine to full capacity? Are you pushing the cartridge all the way to the rear of the feedlips?

Is the feed ramp clean and smooth to the touch?

[jeepster09]

Are you using the slide stop or are you grabbing the slide and pulling it back?

Are you loading the magazine to full capacity? Are you pushing the cartridge all the way to the rear of the feedlips?

Is the feed ramp clean and smooth to the touch?

I have used slide stop and pulled back.
Feed ramp clean and smooth.
Magazines full to cap.

It appears to be issue with mags, they don't hold rounds in very well, when carrying spare mag in pocket they regularly lose a round or two into pocket. Looks like the way they are made compared to other types, such as my 1911's etc. which hold rounds snugly.

[TxKahr]

Before I started using the "flip the slide lock" method recommended in the manual, I had problems with the first round. I found that if I hit the back of the slide, the slide would close and the bullet would be chambered. I did not like hitting the slide, so I started flipping the slide lock and the issue has not happened since.

Because of the initial problems with feeding the first round, I also decided to always carry one in the chamber. I do not want to be fighting with my slide or even worrying about it when in a defensive situation.

TxKahr

[jeep45238]

I have used slide stop and pulled back.
Feed ramp clean and smooth.
Magazines full to cap.

It appears to be issue with mags, they don't hold rounds in very well, when carrying spare mag in pocket they regularly lose a round or two into pocket. Looks like the way they are made compared to other types, such as my 1911's etc. which hold rounds snugly.

How many rounds through the gun yet?

That description does not sound normal - none of mine will easily let a cartridge fall out.

[Rbrown7]

With my PM9 I've found that my 2 six round mags will reliably feed only if loaded to 5 rounds. The exception is loading 6 and then charging from open slide using slide release. Problem appears related to the taper of the 9mm case causing the top rounds to progressively nose dive in a single stack magazine. Even though feed ramp is in good polished condition the bullet hangs on the feed ramp and a tap of the rear of the slide is needed to chamber the first round with a full magazine when charging from closed slide. For both my mags the problem is bad enough to cause frequent FTF with 6 rounds in the mag but not with 5 rounds. Has same problem if I load one in the chamber and then insert a full 6 round mag. Happens with both ball ammo and Gold Dot Short barrel JHP.

[tarheelbball]

I found that if I hit the back of the slide, the slide would close and the bullet would be chambered.
This has and is the only way I can carry 6+1 and it works. Now this happens while I practice at home and it has only happen a few times during the break in per period. I'm at 400 rounds.

[DustyJacket]

Until you get it ironed out, do what every combat pistol instructor says and count your rounds as you shoot. Reload when the magazine is empty and one round in the chamber.

Soo how that works for you.

(I've had the same issue with my PM9. Only the 6 round magazines.)

[jocko]

If the gun is basically new, all it needs is more rounds down range. It will and should feed properly from a fuly loaded magazine. Never carry a kahr magazine in ones pocket and expect the rounds to sit there, they will not. It is kahrs design of the magazine. Criticise them if you want but that is the way they are designed, and I would assume is has something to do with the offset feed ramp. which allows the gun to have a much lower center bore axis, therefore a more pleasant gun to shoot... It is what it is, accept it. Loading from an open slide is what kahr recommends to do. If it is not doing that properly after a couple hundred rounds through the gun, indeed the first thing to do is change the recoil springs. I strongly recommend going to the wolffs 20.5 recoil springs for the PM9, over the factory 18# springs. They will work the slide alot better on loading that first round.

hand rack ing of kahrs are for some reason a real beech for many, I myself have over 25,800 rounds out of my PM9 and I still if I ride that slide any at all, will get ftf. Not the guns fault and I know that, so I do try to always use the slide lock lever to load that first round and it never fails me. I do strongly advise learning both ways. One needs to master the tap, rack, and bang thing to and these little guns are harder to do that drill than the bigger semi's and kahr recoil springs are the stoutest in the industry.

If you gonna carry a spare loaded magazine, indeed carry it in one of those nylon pouches with a velcro cover. The rounds will stay put that way. Counting rounds is a good drill but if you don't carry a spare mag, it is a mute point. Most do not carry a spare magaazine on them. I never have, just running out of pocket space and my PM9 rides in my front pocket 24/7. If your gonna waist band carry I can see where a spare mag holder would be no more visible than the gun itself. YMMV

If one can load from a open slide using the slide lock and not properly from a closed slide, then one needs to practice alot more in that drill. It it works one way and not the other, that in itself should tell one something.

You ought to try hand racking the little Kahr P380, now there for me is one beech of a gun to hand rack, Never fails using the slide lock release but my hand racking success with the P380 is marginal at best. Again I know where the fault lies to. Smaller the gun normaly harded to hand rack properly as these mfg-ers have to squeeze in some heavier recoil springs to offset the limit the slide moves etc, and the gun itself is small to get a good hold on also.

They say the best way to clear a jam etc is to cup your hand over the slide and rack back fast instead of grabbing the back of the slide with a few fingers. This works absolutely super on "bigger" guns, The small guns kinda prohibit one from using that method..

Just take your time with the PM9, it is a super well made gun, that everyone can find quirks in it that they don't like or wish was otherwise. As long as it goes bang every time etc, that is #1, these other little things can be worked out with just time at the range etc.. I don't particularry like the looks of my g19 compared to some either but that sucker goes bang all the time and shoots damn close to where I aim.
I don't shoot my PM9 near as good as I do my G19, but I now why also, It bothers me naught either, as guys I personally do believe the PM9 is the finest 9mm pocket gun on the market. If I was to waist band carry, more than likely it would be another brand .

When my super accurate G19 sits on the vanity in my house it does me no good when at the mall, if u get my point..

[wyntrout]

I've only had problems with that darn 7-round mag with the extended grip. It shoots 4 then the last three hang up toward the front of the mag and nosed too low to be stripped off in the chambering process.
For pocket carry, check my posts on the Tactical Kydex mag holders. Mitchell has been making those for $16 a pair, including shipping. You can order a pair and cut off the clip per my instructions and you have an adjustable-tension holder for pocket carry -- can't beat the price. I wouldn't even think of putting a mag into one of those velcroed pouches. You need access with one hand while you're keeping an eye on the threat and using available cover -- not fumbling with the pouch. You can adjust the retention and practice getting the magazine free with one hand and your magazine will be protected in your pocket with all of the rounds where you left them.
Wynn

http://kahrtalk.com/holsters-gear/99...html#post14370

[deadhead1971]

I have been back pocket carrying the spare 7 rd magazine with no problem. The magazine lays horizontally at the bottom of the back pocket with the bullets facing up. I don't use a pouch of nothin'.

[jocko]

ur lucky

[wyntrout]

That's like bragging about golfing during thunderstorms 'cause you've never been struck by lightning! it only takes that once!
Wynn

[Buckeye Fan]

similar feed issue

Hi All

I'm new to this forum but was referred by deadhead1971 as I am the proud new owner of a black PM9 w/night sites. The issue I am having is similar to what some have said here in that I get random FTFs where the slide will lock open with rounds still in the magazine. I have no problems with feeding the first round or ejecting but it has me concerned that this is happening.

I put the first 250 rounds of fmj downrange with no issues at all. Then tried my SD ammo, 124gr Gold Dots, Win Ranger Bonded 147gr, Win Ranger Bonded 124+P and had at least 1-2 FTF with each type. Went back next day and had a couple more FTF with the GD and 1 with ball ammo. These mags seem odd to me and the rounds do seem to load and ride differently than I am used to with my other semi autos. I can deal with the mag design being harder to load, but any ideas why my slide randomly locks open with rounds still in the mag? I am making sure the rounds are seated all the way back when they go in and it's never the first or last round...always some where in the middle.

So, I've got a total of near 700 rounds through. First 250 of ball went fine, then had 5 FTF with 200 rounds of SD ammo, then shot 150 fmj without issue, then had one FTF with GD and one with ball ammo in the last 100.

Any ideas? Thanks folks.

Brian

[deadhead1971]

It seems like the ball ammo is almost near reliable. Is your feed ramp mirror silver shiny or dull finish? I got a new barrel by warranty, and this new barrel's feed ramp is a lot more polished than the first. I can almost see my reflection in it.