Cm9

[leveraction44]

I had been looking for a pocket 9 for many months. After reading several reviews and watching video clips, I thought that the Kahr Pm/CM9, the Nano, the Shield, the PF9, the Ruger, and the Solo were all good canidates. I went to a gun store several times and handled each on the list. Since I already had a Glock 27 and a Colt Pony 380, the pocket 9 needed to be quite a bit smaller that the G27 to fill the nich. The Nano felt to heavy and bulky for my purpose. The Solo felt the best in my hands and looked like to have the best quality from an external inspection. However the more i looked in to the Solo, the less I wanted to bet my life on it - many reviews with failures. For a small pistol I consider a very small external safety a negative. Anyway, I recently purchased 2 of the CM9's along with 2 eight-round magazines.

Wow was I shocked with all the issues I have had. Both 8-round mags did the nose dive over and over. The slide locked back on a mag that still had ammo in it. I have went through the threads and sanded the mags downs and tightened the slide release spring. But it seems to me there are some major design/build quality problems with Kahr. I am not sure I want to trust my life to these pistols.

[Ikeo74]

No one I know uses the 8 round mags. The 7's need some spring breakin to be 100% reliable. Most of the owners/users stay with the 6 rounder for concealiblty reasons and reliability. Why did you select the 8 round mags?

[jocko]

if u wanted to shoot 8 round magazines,why did u buy a gun that takes 6 round magazines. . U should have bought a cw or the T series and had no issues then. Makes zero sense when to me some one buys a ccw gun and then sticks a magazine that sticks out the bottom alot/ Because they show an 8 round magazine does not necessarily mean they are great for the smallframe cm series. The 8 round mags go great in guns they designed it for, like the TP kahrs.

[Gadgetnut259]

Personally, I would never trust my life to ANY gun with an extended magazine or pinky rest. They are inherently unreliable. Any time you put pressure on a magazine it shifts its position. I only ever use/carry the flush 6-rounder in my CM9. I have never had a singe missfeed...ever.

[JustinN]

I had the exact same issue as you described, Other threads have addressed this problem. I sanded off some of the magazine follower on 2 of the 8 round mags and now the work fine.

That's from the 29th, then yesterday you posted about how flawed the gun is. I understand needing to change something on a new gun can be annoying, but have you experienced the issues with the flush fit magazines? As most people have chimed in and said, the extended mags can't always be trusted, especially on smaller guns....but you're buying a concealed carry gun with a Kahr, why lengthen it with an extended mag? If you need more rounds, go with a larger framed gun. In fact, if you look at the actual Kahr website, it lists the CM9 as 6+1, the PM9 6+1, 7+1 (magazine with grip extension), and P9 as 7+1. To me they are basically saying don't expect anything over 6 to work in the CM9. If you need 8 rounds in it, go for a TP9.

[Short Bus]

The slide locked back on a mag that still had ammo in it.

The normal cause of this is your thumb hitting the slide release pushing it up.

[leveraction44]

I purchased the 8-round magazines only to be carried as a reload if needed - more ammo can be a good thing. There are things that I really like a lot about the CM9's - the trigger is great, the accuracy is very good, the size and weight are outstanding. That being said, I have several pistols designed for one size magazine that are 100% reliable with larger magazines - all of my Glocks and my Kimber compact.

I think this is not a case of wide-spread operator error. If it is so critical for the slide lever spring to stay in one place, why doesn't the design incorporate a feature that positively keeps it in that position instead of relying on the tension of metal screw tightened in to plastic threads?

On a high note, the bullet ramp on the barrel is polished to a very high degree, and the machining on the slide looks to be very high quality.

I think another weak link, along with the slide lever spring, is the tolerance and design around the magazine retainer & release system. There are too many magazine related issues pertaining to this part of the pistol. Some one on this forum posted a video of a woman comparing the Nano and the CM9 - the red/Blue video. She said with the stock 6-round magazine installed she noticed the magaizine was not flush on the bottom. Of course this is per design and something I prefer. Any way she said she hit the bottom of the magazine to fully seat it - thinking it was suppose to be flush, and the magazine released from the pistol landed on the floor and lost several shells. This doesn't make you want to use the tap and rack drill to clear a failure.

Believe me, i want the CM9 to be my everyday carry. But now, I am going to need to see much much more of failure free operation before i take that leap.

[APSKahr]

It's a good idea not to trust something that hasn't performed to your liking. Do your own reliability testing, don't trust something on youtube. Maybe that girl hit the magazine release when she was tapping the mag - you weren't there so you don't know.
The extra length mags as you have seen by now are not the most reliable in the short frame guns.

[krazman]

....... But now, I am going to need to see much much more of failure free operation before i take that leap.

Unless you have fired more than 200 rounds though that new CM9, maybe you should stop this premature post-ulation and go out and (as jocko says) "shoot it like you stole it!"

After shooting at least 200 rounds it still has problems, post back here or contact Kahr. Nearly everyone here has had initial problems and posted about them. After 200 rounds down the pipe nearly everyone raves about their CM9/PM9. Now go have some fun!

kraz