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  • Don't clean PM9 before first use?

    My dealer recommended putting 300 rounds through my PM9 before taking it apart. I can't find anything in my manual about cleaning it first.

    I have about 70 rounds through it as is. Should I take it apart and look for any specific issues using before cleaning may have caused?

  • #2
    I cleaned mine before my first range trip and I am thankful I did. It had enough lubrication in it for 10 PM9s.
    I don't think you'll have any issues, but it may get dirty quicker with all the extra lube than normal.
    Last edited by MikeyKahr; 01-16-2013, 03:20 PM.
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    • #3
      Read this:
      http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1521

      And this:
      http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=308
      I apologize if my post contains the same or similar information as someone who has posted before me.

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      • #4
        Welcome to the Kahrtalk forum supported by Kahr Arms.
        Here are a few essential links and things to do BEFORE you take your new pistol to the range, and ESPECIALLY BEFORE taking it apart and trying to re-assemble it! The Kahr is a different design… 6-7 unique patents cover the Kahrs. I’m not trying to imply that you don’t know anything about guns, but many don’t know anything about the Kahrs and some of the things you can do to damage or cause malfunctions of your new, or new-to-you Kahr pistol.
        First, if you don’t have a manual, yet, or one didn’t come with your pistol, you can download the pdf file here:
        http://www.kahr.com/PDF/kahrmanual.pdf
        Impatient? Watch one of these videos FIRST! These videos can point out possible problem areas and emphasize correct procedures!
        Take down and re-assembly videos:
        T, TP, CW, P, & PM/CM Series:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=G2cZgVg_SwA
        MK series:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...mSCnIOaUk#t=0s
        K series:
        http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-K9-Elite.asp
        There are many links on fixing problems listed in several places… under the New Member or Kahr Tech sub-forums.
        A very handy one is the Kahr Lube Diagram:
        http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=14750
        Many of your questions can be answered in these areas and you can learn how your Kahr works and not damage it with improper handling.
        Frequently asked questions: http://www.kahr.com/faq.asp?
        There are many helpful members here most of the time who might be able to help you, but as anywhere, there are many opinions and not all are correct. Be mindful of this before doing anything drastic to modify your pistol!
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        • #5
          From the Owners Manual:

          Cleaning & Lubrication

          Before the initial shooting of the new KAHR
          Pistol, the pistol should be disassembled following
          the instructions in this manual and
          cleaned with a commercial gun cleaning solvent.
          After each shooting session, the cleaning
          process should be repeated to remove firing
          residue from the inside and outside of the
          Barrel, Slide, Frame and Magazine.
          Once cleaned, all parts should be lightly lubricated
          with a commercial gun lubricant. Follow solvent
          and lubricant manufacturer’s instructions.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 97hmcs View Post
            From the Owners Manual:

            Cleaning & Lubrication

            Before the initial shooting of the new KAHR [ . . . ]
            I was able to use a word search of that text with the electronic version of the manual to find it buried on page 24. Missed that. Dealer didn't help.

            That's all great info and I've read/seen most of it already. The question is about a PM9 that wasn't cleaned for the first 70 rounds. What are the real consequences if any? If I take it apart now, what issues should I look for?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Keeper View Post
              The question is about a PM9 that wasn't cleaned for the first 70 rounds. What are the real consequences if any? If I take it apart now, what issues should I look for?
              Zero consequences. Clean it now and keep shooting it.
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              • #8
                All good advice. I always clean and lube any new or used pistol before I shoot it.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Keeper View Post
                  My dealer recommended putting 300 rounds through my PM9 before taking it apart. I can't find anything in my manual about cleaning it first.

                  I have about 70 rounds through it as is. Should I take it apart and look for any specific issues using before cleaning may have caused?
                  find anutter dealer,Just sayin

                  cleaning your new gun is not taking it completely apart eiter. Actally no difference than cleaning any gun u have owned before and shot it and then came home and cleaned it. Because it is new does not mean it is right, Many guns are packed with alot of excess lubricante for the maker has no clue how long this gun might sit somehwere in a dealers inventory before being sold, yadda yadda.

                  Dopesnt mean the gun won't work out opf the box and most indeed will do just that, Just most owners manuals and especally this forum is just asking a owner to error on the side of caution and clean and inspect the gun before that first range trip.U cvertainly didn'turt anything by what u did either, so now get to know ur gun better, give it a good cleaning as many excellentposts here will help u do. U do two things in that. #1, u cleaned the gun andu know it is all OK, #2 u got a better knowlege of how the guns looks and works etc..
                  Good forum here, these guys know their sh!t, so please do listeon to them.
                  . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Keeper View Post
                    My dealer recommended putting 300 rounds through my PM9 before taking it apart. I can't find anything in my manual about cleaning it first.

                    I have about 70 rounds through it as is. Should I take it apart and look for any specific issues using before cleaning may have caused?
                    Your dealer is an idiot. Every new gun should be cleaned before you fire it for the first time.
                    Never trust anyone who doesn't trust you to own a gun.

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                    • #11
                      Muggsy, u have such a great and classey way with words. I only wish I was half as good at it as u are. Just sayin
                      . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jocko View Post
                        Muggsy, u have such a great and classey way with words. I only wish I was half as good at it as u are. Just sayin
                        I thought you two were related somehow.
                        The only thing better than having all the guns and ammo you'd ever need would be being able to shoot it all off the back porch.

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                        • #13
                          Welcome to the forum by the way. Lots of good information here too.

                          Cleaning before the range trip is just a good habit. After it's been sitting or after being carried for a while it's a good idea to clean and lube it also. I found that out the hard way with another pistol I own. Stuff like lube will dry up and gunk things in a bad way.
                          The only thing better than having all the guns and ammo you'd ever need would be being able to shoot it all off the back porch.

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                          • #14
                            no no

                            Originally posted by yqtszhj View Post
                            I thought you two were related somehow.
                            Muggsy is my mentor What u read from my posts I have learned from Muggsy. Honest
                            . My PM9 has over 34,000+ rounds through it, and runs much better than an illegal trying to get across our border


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by muggsy View Post
                              Your dealer is an idiot. Every new gun should be cleaned before you fire it for the first time.
                              Apparently. I thought it was odd, but supposedly they are the experts. Shows you how often that isn't the case.

                              FWIW, the gun shot great. My first two shots were in a two inch circle at 16 feet. No FTF or FTE issues. All shots within 6". First time shooting a pistol in decades.

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