what ya think??.

[DakPara]

I think the Kahr with the safety and LCI is an abomination.

I hope Justin Moon was on vacation with no cell phone coverage when the drawings and approval were sent to manufacturing.

[Cappy]

thats why glocks are in 65% of all LEO departments. Nothing to think about except pulling and shooting. Also why kahrs are so acceptable to LEO'S ofr BUG. I read where the Chicago police dept has ok'ed the carry of kahrs for BUG..

Yes Sir! That is why my three most used guns are my Kahrs, Glock G27, and S&W M&P 9mm. Just point and shoot!

[dollarguy]

I have got to agree, I like the Kahr guns the way they are. I like the idea that I don't have to think about the safety latch in a time of adrenalin flow. I know when I have been hunting, which is nowhere near as exciting as being confronted with an attacker, I have forgotten to flip the safety before trying to pull the trigger. It happens when you do not practice almost everyday, and when defense situations are not part of your job. I like that my Kahr is loaded and ready if I need it for protection to save a life, and I am not fiddling with added things to be able to shoot. I know there are lots of people who would disagree, but I have friends who are in law enforcement, and in heated situations they have caught themselves with issues with getting the first shot off. It happens, and the less one has to think about, the more they can concentrate on what is happening in front of them - IMO.

Bravo!

Why have a weapon if you can not fire immediately upon need with no action beyond pressing the trigger?

We are trained to never touch the trigger until you have a target you intend to put a round into. That is safety enough, in my very un-humble opinion.

[jocko]

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Bravo!

Why have a weapon if you can not fire immediately upon need with no action beyond pressing the trigger?

We are trained to never touch the trigger until you have a target you intend to put a round into. That is safety enough, in my very un-humble opinion.

probably right but I bet there are some people who train with a safety type gun who can get off that first round as fast as most of us can with nothing. Kahr is not going to ram this model up our asses either, They know what sells, they made a decision to get more business down the road. I see nothing wrong with that. No one has to buy it either and that will further send them a message to keep what is working. I sold guns for a living for 40years and we pushed glocks heavily back then due to reliability etc, but I had some people who would not buy it PERIOD due to no REAL safety externally.They thought as many still do that that trigger safety was pure B.S.

Stick shift vs. auto tranny. make um both, sell um what they want..

[lunde]

I see this as a good thing if it helps people who cannot otherwise acquire a Kahr Arms pistol. Think about it. Just because a pistol has a manual safety, it doesn't mean it needs to be used. This is especially true of pistols that were designed to exclude a manual safety. The California Edition of the Seecamp LWS 32 has a manual safety, which is at the top of the trigger:



It's there merely to satisfy strange laws that affect the ability to purchase firearms. The same could be said of S&W's built-in lock. Several of my S&W revolvers have this lock, and I have not once actuated it.

As for the slide, well good thing that Kahr Arms sells slides separately.

Releasing the PM9193 is a way for Kahr Arms to test the waters for markets that require these, um, features.

[jocko]

don't u just love it when the stamp on the damn gun "california edition"??It does not need to be on there to be komifornia legal. Kinda detracts from what looks like a well made nice looking gun IMO

[alnitak]

I see this as a good thing if it helps people who cannot otherwise acquire a Kahr Arms pistol.

It's there merely to satisfy strange laws that affect the ability to purchase firearms.

The problem is, it adds to the price of the gun, even for those that need/want the new features, as new manufacturing lines have to be created, extra design, engineering and test effort, extra marketing collaterals, etc. The overall costs for the company increase dramatically, and those expenses relate to price increases across the board. The darn lawyers and gun-control groups should keep their noses out of business they know nothing about! They haven't a clue as to what is necessary in a SD situation.

As one person said, the best safety is between the ears ... and if you gun isn't loaded all the time, it should be -- so no need for an LCI.

[WMD]

of the new PM( witht he external safety and loaded round indicator???

My comments: I hope kahr keeps this to a minimum, as the pM and all kahrs the way they are made now are absolutley perfect IMO. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

I understand the Massachusetts concept. Not a bad idea oto have a choice either, as I know from past posts on other forums some have questioned no external safety.

The loaded round indicator, for me anyway sucks. I can feel and tell on my PM9 if it loaded. If my slide is not locked open,my kahr is LOADED. reminds me of that Ruger indicator, but at least it is on the side of the ruger and not on top.The thing that gets me the most is that awful butt butt ugly warning essay on top of the damn slide.. Just to me kills the over all looks of the kahr. but that being said if you are in massachusetts and want a kahr, now you can own one legally, for me thought MY PM9 suits me fine just the way it is.

I agree with you Jocko,

I guess this solves Mass's problems and makes the gun available to Mass folks, but I am not a fan of the LCI, Writing, and Safety lever. This reminds me when Ruger started printing all of the stuff on their guns. Destroy's the looks of a good looking gun. The way we are going it won't be long before every baby born will have a "warning label" tattooed inside their eyelids!

[jocko]

lots

I agree with you Jocko,

I guess this solves Mass's problems and makes the gun available to Mass folks, but I am not a fan of the LCI, Writing, and Safety lever. This reminds me when Ruger started printing all of the stuff on their guns. Destroy's the looks of a good looking gun. The way we are going it won't be long before every baby born will have a "warning label" tattooed inside their eyelids!

of good guns screwed up because of allthe writing on the dman guns.

I was thinking, all kahrs actualy have a loaded round indicator on them. If the slide is not locked open the damn gun is loaded and that is a very obvious feature to.