OH $#!^ - new CM9 barrel?

[jocko]

It must have been 40 years ago but I sold a custmer a K22 masterpeace and he and his buddy went out to a pond to shoot it, and he threw a can in the water and proceeded to shoot 6 times and noticed nothing was hitting the water but it never dawned on him what was going on. He broought the gun back into my shop and told me this story, I found it hard to believe but my local smitty pulled 6 22 bullets out of the barrel. Not one bit of harm was done to the barrel. no buldge or nutti. Once out of thebarre. the gun was then perfect. Hard to believe but that is the truth, sohelp me Bawanna. So I guess anything can happen. IMO it takes a hell of a squb to lodge i the barrel and yet eject out of kahr which is known for stout recoil springs andyet feed anutter good round perfect, but I guess it could have happened that way, although as harsh as CJB might have been, I think I gotta side with CJB..

[MW surveyor]

Believe it or not...........

Just got back from the range. Guy next to me shooting reloads asks if I have a rod in my bag (of course I do and a 4 oz. ball peen hammer). He had a squib that did eject the case (he was shooting a Sig) with the bullet just enough in the barrel to almost fully chamber the next round. Slide stopped just about 1/32" of an inch from full lock up. If there was just a little bit more powder, I'll bet the round would have fully chambered.

I sure am glad it didn't.

Yes, got the bullet out and he went back to shooting. Just a little bit slower than before.

[Scoundrel]

Wow.

When I saw that reply from CJB, I thought he'd left his computer logged in and his evil cousin had replied instead.

We don't have any background information on the OP. We don't know what his level of skill/training is. Maybe he is just getting into guns and doesn't have a lot of experience. This sort of response is what I would expect over on GlockSmackTalk.com, not here.

I have done a lot of training in the last couple years, many thousands of rounds down the tube with many different guns, but I have not yet once had a squib. I know what they are, I know why they happen, and I know in theory what they probably sound and feel like because it's been described a lot in forums. But I expect that a squib could sound and feel very different depending on many factors - type of gun, how much powder was really in there, etc.

Having never experienced it, I cannot say with confidence that I could detect one and stop when doing a rapid fire set - even if it was a set of two.

So I feel kind of bad for the reception this guy got, and I respect him for admitting his mistake in a den of wolves, and not shooting off a pissed off reply when confronted with a lack of civility.

I've also noticed a tendency on this forum recently to "call bullshit" on something when it doesn't match up with what people think they know about guns. I don't know everything, and I think that it's a lot nicer to give someone the benefit of the doubt when something seems weird, until something comes up that proves that the person was lying.

I will admit that the very idea of continuing to use a barrel that has been compromised by squib seems like a ridiculous thing to even consider, but he did not explicitly state in the first post that he intended to SHOOT it again. He did clarify after a couple of posts that it would just be an aid to diagnostics for the rest of the gun.

So anyway, chickenman, I apologize to you on behalf of the folks on this forum who aren't as mellow and friendly as maybe they could be.

Welcome to the forum, and let's see some pictures, if you have any, so we can all laugh and make fun of you good naturedly, with smileys and everything.

[OldLincoln]

Re: OH $#!^ - new CM9 barrel?

It would be cool if folks could get to shoot a squib as part of their training.

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[memtb]

Scoundrel, A thumbs-up sir on your post!! I was about to attempt to say something similar, however I believe you stated it more eloquently!! memtb

[jocko]

not sure I want anyone apologizing for anything I might say. I am a big boy and if I feel I did wrong I will apologize, You may criticise me, that is ur right... Everyone has their own way of saying things. let them apologize for their mistakes. Just sayin

[Scoundrel]

I hereby and officially exclude Jocko, and anyone else who wishes to be irascible, ornery, and otherwise unpleasant from my blanket apology.

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[pineappleshooter]

Only squib I ever had was shooting rapid fire with a double action 22 revolver. I thought I heard a ffft instead of a bang but I pulled the trigger before I could stop myself. Two 22's lodged in the barrell - no bulge! Got lucky - It was just and old Arminius revolver but it is the first gun I ever shot when I was a kid - belonged to my Great Grandfather. I shoot way slower now and make sure I hear a bang every time.

[jocko]

I hereby and officially exclude Jocko, and anyone else who wishes to be irascible, ornery, and otherwise unpleasant from my blanket apology.

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than you

[hardluk1]

This tread has me wondering if I would "pickup" a squib quickly enought to stop that run away trigger finger from mess'n up a firearm or me. I tend to go thru new gun break in looking to only get rounds down range for the first 100 rounds with little reguard to accuracy. Some times seeing how quickly a mag can be emptied!! I have been lucky not haveing any squibs in 40 plus year. Not sure how many new pistols I will be buy'n in the future but this does make me want to slow down that trigger finger in the future to just a few double taps.

[jocko]

If its ur time to get a squib, it is just ur time. Have no stats on how often a squib occurs but my bet it is one n millions of rounds or more,so IMO just continue on the wayur doin and enjoy what ur doin and not to worry about sumpin that u can't control

[MW surveyor]

Your odds of getting a squib round are greatly increased if you reload and don't pay attention!

[chickenman]

I reckon it's about time to respond to my own thread....

Thank you to the folks that chose to show propriety and thanks even to those that chose cautious but curteous doubt. I appreciate both.

I'm sorry I can't put up photos because I sanded down the barrel last night without thinking about photos. I was in the shop working on a holster and wanted to fit the cm9 but had to get it back together before I could so....

I will say that I had to belt grind down about 3 housandths of a bulge, not much really. The gun will manually cycle fine now. I dry fired it and hand cycled it and it seemed to run fine. I did notice that the slide seemed a tad looser on the rails than I thought I remembered it before but that could also just be that this was the first time I focused attention to that aspect. I would say that the slide will move up and down at the barrel end maybe a few hundredths. The closer I looked at this, I saw that the rails are very thin pieces of steel and the rail slots are about twice as thick. Didn't put a caliper or mic on them but I'm thinking this movement is not out of spec, I just didn't pay attention to it before. I has a little side to side slop as well but again, I think that is likely normal. Any feedback to these attribute from other cm9 owners is appreciated. I was preparing to send it back to Kahr so they could inspect it. I was too busy to call them yesterday but plan to today.
I'm not going to ask them for a free warranty barrel, but if they volunteer one, that will be over-the-top customer service and would solidify my love of this little gun and add to it the deep respect for an American gun company. Up to this point, I have only had that level of loyalty and respect for Sturm-Ruger, but perhaps Kahr deserves the same. I went to the shop looking to purchase an LC9 but they didn't have one and I got this instead. I liked the feel of it. Much better trigger, felt better in the hand over the LC9 as well...and it was available. I do wish it came with a pinky rail on the mag, but I hear those are available after-market and work well. I would put one on my secondary mag for "plinking" purposes.

[yqtszhj]

Your odds of getting a squib round are greatly increased if you reload and don't pay attention!

Or if you buy indonesian .380 import ammo from Cabelas because you can't find ammo anywhere else. Beendare diddat.

[Scoundrel]

I would say that the slide will move up and down at the barrel end maybe a few hundredths.
It has a little side to side slop as well but again, I think that is likely normal.

My CM9 (about 3500 rounds) has a bit of up/down movement and sideways movement at the barrel end.
It will move more to the right than it will to the left.
It's difficult to get a caliper lined up in there, but I'd say it looks like it moves maybe .02".

After a squib and a bulged barrel, I'd definitely send it in for Kahr's opinion though.

I'm surprised the plate on the right side of the grip didn't blow out. I'm told that can happen in over-pressure situations. Freaks people out something fierce when that happens.