New CM9 accuracy issues

[Cool Breeze]

Howdy folks, been reading for a while... My CM9 has been flawless- not one single issue (with 350rds so far), other than the accuracy. I probably need to try to take pics of the sights aiming at the target to explain, but if I aim normal- with the front dot just above the rear white square- so the dot is sitting in the notch, at 30 feet, I don't even hit the paper. I am waaay low and left. I literally have to angle the gun up so that the top plane of the rear sights is equal to the top front of the slide- the entire front sight is visible above the rear sight- just to get it on paper. Then, I put that on top right of the paper and I'm pretty decent. but it is sooo different from what I'm used to.

I've had friends try it and the look at me like... whats wrong with your gun???

I know 30 feet is probably maxing out, but geez, I can't even say I could hit a man sized target in my home from one end to the other.

as for the "left", the rear sight seems perfectly centered in the dovetail.

Any ideas?

Thanks

[Rubb]

It sounds like you're jerking the trigger.
Try ignoring the dot and bar.. use the sights only.
Try it closer and rested to eliminate any user error.
Focus on the front sight..the target should be blurry.
Slow & steady trigger pull..it should surprise you when it fires.

[RevRay]

If you're new to Kahrs the long trigger pull takes some getting used to. When I first got my CM9 I did a lot of dry firing to get used to that long slow squeeze.

[jocko]

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Howdy folks, been reading for a while... My CM9 has been flawless- not one single issue (with 350rds so far), other than the accuracy. I probably need to try to take pics of the sights aiming at the target to explain, but if I aim normal- with the front dot just above the rear white square- so the dot is sitting in the notch, at 30 feet, I don't even hit the paper. I am waaay low and left. I literally have to angle the gun up so that the top plane of the rear sights is equal to the top front of the slide- the entire front sight is visible above the rear sight- just to get it on paper. Then, I put that on top right of the paper and I'm pretty decent. but it is sooo different from what I'm used to.

I've had friends try it and the look at me like... whats wrong with your gun???

I know 30 feet is probably maxing out, but geez, I can't even say I could hit a man sized target in my home from one end to the other.

as for the "left", the rear sight seems perfectly centered in the dovetail.

Any ideas?

Thanks

until u realize it is more than likely "shooter" ISSUES, UR GONNA TRY TO BLAME THE GUN. hERE IS WHAT i WOULD RECOMMEND AS IT ILL SHOW U FIRST HAND WHAT IS GOIN ON. BUY A HALF DOZEN SNAP CAPS. THROW THEM IN WITH 30 LIVE ROUNDS AND LET A FRIEND LOAD UR magazine so u don'tknow if one or 5 of the snap caps are in the magazine.Trust me this will show u first hand what is going on. dryu firing proves nadda for what ur talking about. It helps but the bangt thing is what is causing u ur issues. we are here to help so fear not , no question is a bad one... I wold bet ur a right hand shooter to

[berettabone]

I find that if I put the front sight on top of the notch, like putting a ball on a tee....try it........................plus, are you using your dominant eye? I have seen people using the wrong eye, and once they use the dominant one, they're on paper every time............

[magtf388]

A. Sight Alignment

Definition. Sight alignment is the relationship between the front sight and rear sight with respect to the aiming eye. Correct sight alignment is the front sight centered in the rear sight notch with the top edge of the front sight level with the top edge of the rear sight. There should be equal space on either side of the front sight.

B. Sight Picture

Definition. Sight picture is the placement of the front sight in relation to the target while maintaining sight alignment. Shooting the shot takes place with focus on the front sight and the front sight alone.

[Popeye]

One smooth and consistent full length trigger pull front to back. Sure helped me to be a better shot with it.

[Cool Breeze]

Well, as much as I think I'm doing things right, this is a much different trigger than what I'm used to: P22 and Kimber 1911... So, I have compiled all of your suggestions and now I need some range time to put it to the test!

Thanks!

[Rubb]

Yep...it would've been more accurate if you were a revolver guy

[jocko]

u will

Well, as much as I think I'm doing things right, this is a much different trigger than what I'm used to: P22 and Kimber 1911... So, I have compiled all of your suggestions and now I need some range time to put it to the test!

Thanks!

getthere,just lower ur standards a tad. It is what it is. Kahrs arenot the easiest gun to shoot. Never compare it to a 1911, just two different trigger systems. rangetime is important,pracxtice close 5-7 yards, forgot more about groups and concentrate on the front sight. POA is good for this gun, u can get accurate but more than anything u can get fast with POA sooting, accept 3-4"groupls at 5 yards. Ur not gonna have a sand bag or a bench rest if SHTF so practice with kahrs more than anything IMO the way u might haveto fight to save ur life. Were not taking about hitting 5 pop cans in a arow and winning a teddy bear. Iam a horrible shot with my pMJ9 and I havve many thousands of rounds throutgh it, But IMO Ican do the job needed at a close distance---or I wouldnot carry it. just stick with it, takes some of the tips the guys here mentioned, test them all out..

[Allen]

Cool Breeze stated even his friends had a problem with his gun, is it possible there could be something wrong with it? Just asking since I'm a fairly recent new CM9 owner and still getting used to it but haven't tried any shots at 30 feet yet.

[muggsy]

Cool Breeze stated even his friends had a problem with his gun, is it possible there could be something wrong with it? Just asking since I'm a fairly recent new CM9 owner and still getting used to it but haven't tried any shots at 30 feet yet.

The fact that his friend had a problem with the gun means nothing. Many people have problems with accuracy when shooting guns with long double action trigger pulls. It takes training and practice to get good with them.

[otium]

Well, there could be something wrong with it, but it might be trigger control especially if the OP is right handed.

With the short distance between where the trigger breaks and with the extra long trigger pull, I found I tended to curl my finger tip on the trigger slightly and it would cause the shots to roll left and low (right handed). If left handed it usually shows as being low right.

Try this with the gun empty, watch when you pull the trigger that your trigger finger pad stays perpendicular to the gun frame all the way through the pull including the break. I'd guess just as it breaks there is where you might see the control fall off just a bit.

I found it helped me to try keeping the end/last joint of my trigger finger basically limp and pull through with the middle trigger finger joint. This would help me keep the pad on the trigger more perpendicular to the frame all the way through the pull until it broke.

For me it seemed to help keep things aligned all the way through the pull a little better and reduce the occurrence of the low left shots.

[yqtszhj]

Well, as much as I think I'm doing things right, this is a much different trigger than what I'm used to: P22 and Kimber 1911... So, I have compiled all of your suggestions and now I need some range time to put it to the test!

Thanks!

Hang in there. I've been shooting my Kahr's so much (and I shoot them well now) that I struggle with my 1911's or any SA trigger now. It used to be the other way around.

If I don't pay attention I try and "Long Pull" the SA triggers and end up jerking the trigger and shoot low. Always a learning process...

Like I think Rev Ray said, lots of dry fire practice will help w/ the DA style trigger.

[jocko]

u haventtried the snap caps!!!! First thing u have to find out isif it is the gun or u. Personally 99.5%ofthetimeit is shooter error. Once u realize it is you then you will work on it fully knowing it isn't a gun issue. Ucan't fix agun issues, kahr can,. U can fix YOU.

Kahrs aren't an easy gun to master, their loooong smooth trigger is the source of ur inaccuracy. get a tad closer 5-7 yards and work in that area. If ur expecting same hole accuracyk, then u bought the wrong gun.I haveover 32K+ roundsout of my PMJ9 and I can tell you I stilldo not shoot it good at all.It saddens me to say it to, but thtis a fact. My range targets are the FBI "Q" silhouette bowling pin targets. I can keep all inside of that target at 7 yards easily. Mnd ya, they might be all over that target but they are there. I accept that. U might try also just POA shooting, see the front sight clearly and fire away. Your no differentthan 75%of the new kahr owners ,but they all seemedtowork out their issues in time.Keep ur range sessions short. Shooter gets tired and doesn't know it and then things go allto hell....