Brand new pistol will not fire

[muggsy]

I've thought about this thoroughly and I've decided that once the gun comes back I'm asking for another brand new Kahr pm9. If Kahr and the gun store really stand behind there products then they won't force me to accept a product with such a fatal flaw right out of the box. I will never be able to fully trust this pistol regardless of the repair. I can't risk mine or my families life with that.

If I don't get what I believe I deserve then I will have no problem making it very public on every gun forum on the net how Kahr and the gun store screwed me over with a substandard product.

That kind of attitude will get you nowhere. If the gun comes back from Kahr and works perfectly they are under no obligation to give you anything. There is nothing substandard about Kahr pistols. They are CAD designed and CNC manufactured from the finest materials available. There are tens of thousands in use daily that are totally reliable.

[addictedhealer]

Brand new pistol will not fire

Some people overreact about everything. Those same people think they deserve so much. My car as a recall from subaru. **** happens but I'm not gonna demand another vehicle and special treatment because I got my feeling upset.

Grow up.

[Marshalljman]

Some people overreact about everything. Those same people think they deserve so much. My car as a recall from subaru. **** happens but I'm not gonna demand another vehicle and special treatment because I got my feeling upset.

Grow up.

First of all, check the attitude. I'm not on here trying to start trouble with anyone.

If you bought a brand new car and you couldn't even drive it off the lot due to some major defect, you would get a different car. How is this situation any different. Not to mention, the car isn't meant to save your life, it's meant to get you from point A to B. A gun needs to be reliable so that you can trust it when it needs to be used.

[Marshalljman]

That kind of attitude will get you nowhere. If the gun comes back from Kahr and works perfectly they are under no obligation to give you anything. There is nothing substandard about Kahr pistols. They are CAD designed and CNC manufactured from the finest materials available. There are tens of thousands in use daily that are totally reliable.

Do you believe that you would be able to trust a gun that didn't fire straight out of the box to the same degree as one that performed flawlessly from day one?

This has nothing to do with Kahr bashing. Many of my friends stand by them and recommended one to me. I expected to be as pleased as them. I still want a Kahr, just a functional and reliable one. The finest materials can't save my life if they don't work we'll in conjunction with each other.

[JimC]

I've thought about this thoroughly and I've decided that once the gun comes back I'm asking for another brand new Kahr pm9. If Kahr and the gun store really stand behind there products then they won't force me to accept a product with such a fatal flaw right out of the box. I will never be able to fully trust this pistol regardless of the repair. I can't risk mine or my families life with that.

If I don't get what I believe I deserve then I will have no problem making it very public on every gun forum on the net how Kahr and the gun store screwed me over with a substandard product.

I understand why you feel like you do however, I doubt if you will get a new pistol out of Kahr for your troubles.
I would suggest that when you get it back, take it to the range with a good quality ammo and give it a chance.
I would suggest a good full power 124 gr. FMJ load.
I prefer either Winchester or Federal NATO spec 124 gr. ball when testing or breaking in a new pistol.
Good luck.

[addictedhealer]

Brand new pistol will not fire

First of all, check the attitude. I'm not on here trying to start trouble with anyone.



If you bought a brand new car and you couldn't even drive it off the lot due to some major defect, you would get a different car. How is this situation any different. Not to mention, the car isn't meant to save your life, it's meant to get you from point A to B. A gun needs to be reliable so that you can trust it when it needs to be used.

I would have them fix it just like kahr will do. Instead of crying on every forum like you are threatening to do.

Handguns like cars are mass produced. Things get missed or messed up. That is why they will cover it at no expense to you.

Pistols are simple to understand and if kahr fixes it there is no reason not to trust it.

It truly does suck you didn't even get to shoot it. I would be pissed to, but once kahr handled the problem id move on. My cw9 has over 1k through it, carry it every single day. Trust it as much as i trust my own skills. Not a single failure of any kind. Have shot the crappiest of ammo and it ate it no problem.

Be patient give kahr a chance and I along with many others promise it will be worth it.

[Marshalljman]

I would have them fix it just like kahr will do. Instead of crying on every forum like you are threatening to do.

Handguns like cars are mass produced. Things get missed or messed up. That is why they will cover it at no expense to you.

Pistols are simple to understand and if kahr fixes it there is no reason not to trust it.

It truly does suck you didn't even get to shoot it. I would be pissed to, but once kahr handled the problem id move on. My cw9 has over 1k through it, carry it every single day. Trust it as much as i trust my own skills. Not a single failure of any kind. Have shot the crappiest of ammo and it ate it no problem.

Be patient give kahr a chance and I along with many others promise it will be worth it.

I understand what you are saying, but now how many rounds do you think I would need to put through it to trust? It already has a 200 round break-in period excluding the problem I have. I suppose I'm just nervous that the gun will function for a while and then another mechanical issue will surface when I Need it the most.

[kerby9mm]

I agree with how you feel mr M but it is most likely something simple that went wrong with your gun. (Haven't read everything because I'm on a phone). When it comes back give it a range session or two & see how your gun is then. Parts can break for various reasons on anything. If your gun does this again then maybe its time to talk replacement.

[CJB]

Ok... we know, spent cartridge or not, that the pistol was test fired at the factory. Thats a given. It went bang.

So what happened in the interim? The pistol was cleaned. And the tell-tale is the claim that there was a delay in the "click", sometimes two seconds.

This sounds to me like the ol' trigger bar issue. I'm not sure if its the trigger bar itself, or a hanging chad of plastic on the frame that lets loose, but occasionally the OP's problem is seen. Its one of two problems that seem to be recurring - the other being the broken follower issue.

I have no doubt that Kahr will not only "fix" the problem, but that the pistol will return with a very very sweet and smooth trigger pull as well. Seems to be the Kahr way on any rework.

Personally, except for the PITA factor, relax, and know that you're getting some custom tuning at the price of time spent and a little aggrivation.

[FLBri]

I've thought about this thoroughly and I've decided that once the gun comes back I'm asking for another brand new Kahr pm9. If Kahr and the gun store really stand behind there products then they won't force me to accept a product with such a fatal flaw right out of the box. I will never be able to fully trust this pistol regardless of the repair. I can't risk mine or my families life with that.

If I don't get what I believe I deserve then I will have no problem making it very public on every gun forum on the net how Kahr and the gun store screwed me over with a substandard product.

You may get some mileage out of your dealer with that attitude, but Kahr won't give you as much as a nod. Once they fix the problem, it is trustworthy ...even more so than a "new out of the box" pistol.

And your statement "I can't risk mine or my families life with that" is not accurate. It is only your perception of risk .... the actual risk is diminished because of what CJB said below. Changing your perception might be a better way to go. At least give it a chance.

I also chuckle at the thought of people threatening the same old "I'll blow this issue wide open on every gun forum" schtick. Any one that really thinks that does anything other than make them look ridiculous is kidding themselves.

Kahr will do their part. You should accept yours, as purchaser. Even with a car, the "Lemon Law" allows them 3 chances to fix an issue before the "nuclear" option.

I'm not trying minimize the frustration you have over the problem. Just suggesting you take a more productive posture.

[CJB]

First of all, check the attitude. I'm not on here trying to start trouble with anyone.

If you bought a brand new car and you couldn't even drive it off the lot due to some major defect, you would get a different car. How is this situation any different.

I can say with absolute certainty, you would not get a new car. Sorry, papers signed, done deal, you'd get a loaner and they they'd fix it. My late friend Andy bought a Volvo wagon that he couldn't drive off the lot. Electrical issue stemming from the incorrectly, and dealer installed, wiring for the fog lights. It took 'em two days to fix, and even then not correctly. When it was "fixed" if you turned off the car with the fog lights on, you could never get them to turn off again, unless you pulled the battery cable. Andy, being an astute engineer, fixed it himself and lambasted the dealer mercilessly.

And I've personally tried to take delivery of not one, but two different pickup trucks (both Ford, and I love Fords....) that literally would not run. One had water in the fuel, the other had a bad ECM. This was oh... at least 20 years apart. Both cases, I got loaners. Case of water I got an instant two year extension of the factory warranty, which was three years back then, taking it to five, with no miles limit. Never had a lick of trouble with either after that.

So sorry to pee in the Wheaties, but... thats what they do.

[CJB]

Do you believe that you would be able to trust a gun that didn't fire straight out of the box to the same degree as one that performed flawlessly from day one?

This has nothing to do with Kahr bashing. Many of my friends stand by them and recommended one to me. I expected to be as pleased as them. I still want a Kahr, just a functional and reliable one. The finest materials can't save my life if they don't work we'll in conjunction with each other.

Yes, I would, because I don't believe in voodoo, or magic, or some sort of spiritual mumbo jumbo with firearms. They're metal, and plastic. They are designed correctly. There may be inconsistancies with the execution of the design during the manufacturing process. Those inconsistancies are correctable. I tend to consider engineering, and physics - and human nature in a mass assembly process. Once defective part A is replaced with good part A, you have a good assembly. Once dimension Z is adjusted to conform with its specification, its in conformity. No emotion need be involved.

Consider this, once a pistol goes back, its gets TLC beyond whats given during mass assembly. One might actually look upon a trip to the mothership as a very good thing.

And, that pistol did fire. And then it was disassembled, and re-asembled. There very well exists a possibity that the lack of firing virtue in the gun is unknowingly user created.

Time will tell.

[CJB]

Wait... wait... I was wrong.

Yes, the pistol is jinxed. Its a bad omen Marshalljman. The gun's got a mind of its own, and there is no telling what it may do. I tell ya, that pistol is gonna be trouble. It is gonna give out at the most inopportune time, and lull you into quiet complacency by working well at the range in the meantime. In fact, you're gonna draw on a BG in your hour of desperate need, and right before the barrel falls right off, the pistol is going to backfire into your face.

I'll give you a hundred bucks for it, when it comes back, and you're getting the better end of the deal. I just happen to need a Kahr shaped fishing sinker for my collection, lucky for you that I'm feeling rather generous this morning.

[muggsy]

I think that the best course of action for this new Kahr owner to take is to stamp his feet, jump up and down, hold his breath until he turns blue and kick and scream at the top of his lungs. That seems to have worked with his parents. Now that I know what with were dealing with here, I'm done. Some people just never grow up.

[Rubb]

Again...I've sent guns back to 4 different manufacturers.
All 4 came back flawless and didn't require a second trip.
If you not comfortable(and it sounds like you're not)with ever trusting it ask for a refund or credit towards another purchase and move on.