PM 45 Back from Kahr Serivce- Still not working

[Sparx]

Got my new not working from the start, PM 45 back from Kahr today and it still stove pipe jams. It does it with 230 grain ball factory PPU and Blazer brass. I am also getting occasional premature slide lock backs. This issue occurs with each of two mags with either ammo. Guns has close to 300 rounds through it.

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.p...45-BIG-MISTAKE

And on a different note; of course my Kahr CM9 now has aver 1100 rounds fired, with not one single problem.

Seems in recent years if you get a good firearm, you are set. If you get a bad gun, repairs never can make it right.

Kahr apparently repaired the failure to extract, which was about 30% of the problems this gun has.

How was your Kahr repair experience, mine sucks!
sparx

[jcannady]

My PM45 is finicky. Some ammo it loves (Win 1911 is one) and some it hates (ranger-t unfortunately). It can be a pricey journey to find reliable ammo but to me it was worth it. I have 1000 in mine now.
Jim

[yqtszhj]

Well, they replaced my cw45 frame and its running good. I did have 2 stovepipes in the first 50 after frame replacement due to i figure dirt and/or weak ammo. I haven't had a problem since then using fiocchi ammo. The 2 stovepipes i had were with blazer brass.

Never had a stovepipe with my cm45.

[Sparx]

When I got to about 45 rounds fired today, I had a stove pipe on every magazine.

Be wiser to carry a sling shot than this pistol.
Sparx

[yqtszhj]

Can you tell if it is a certain round in the mag that stovepipes or is it random?

[kenemoore]

Sometimes you get lemons, I have a PM9 I bought used with a reported 300 rounds, I have about 300 in her too, never an issue of any kind. Have a PM45 I bought new, about 800 rounds so far, not a single issue. I have a cw380 that is a hunk of junk, I have about given up on it. Point being, some times you get a lemon, I would hound Kahr until they made things right. I've worked on the .380 and I think I can fix it, but it's taken 6 months and about 500 rounds.

[CJB]

Got my new not working from the start, PM 45 back from Kahr today and it still stove pipe jams. It does it with 230 grain ball factory PPU and Blazer brass. I am also getting occasional premature slide lock backs

Seems in recent years if you get a good firearm, you are set. If you get a bad gun, repairs never can make it right.

Sparx, shoot the hottest ammo you can find, keep a good grip, and keep your thumb away from the release. The PM/CM 45 has a tight recoil spring assembly. You need to get it limbered up some, and the stovepipe problem wil go away. Lock back prematurely is usually can be a problem with the slide stop spring, the shooters thumb, or the nose on the slide stop being hit by rounds rising in the magazine. You can check for the latter with your slide and barrel off the frame, but the slide stop and a magazine with two shots in it inserted into the frame.

Sorry you had some issues, but what you said about "if you get a good firearm you're set, if you get a bad gun, repairs can never make it right" are an uncalled for disgrace to Kahr. Your opinion yes, but you have little facts to base that on, and are relying on your emotions tied to recent issues to "create a fact scenario". Its poor form ol' chap.

[b4uqzme]

there are lotsa posts about how to adjust that slide stop screw. gb6491 even has a video on youtube. Hope it helps. I agree with CJB --- a good grip and more break-in might cure those stovepipes. I know you have a CM9 but they are different.

[Sparx]

It is the 2nd round now any magazine any ammo, before they repaired it was usually the 3rd round, any magazine I tried.
Sparx

[Sparx]

there are lotsa posts about how to adjust that slide stop screw. gb6491 even has a video on youtube. Hope it helps. I agree with CJB --- a good grip and more break-in might cure those stovepipes. I know you have a CM9 but they are different.

Gun has 300 rounds +- 10 fired.
sparx

[Sparx]

Sparx, shoot the hottest ammo you can find, keep a good grip, and keep your thumb away from the release. The PM/CM 45 has a tight recoil spring assembly. You need to get it limbered up some, and the stovepipe problem wil go away. Lock back prematurely is usually can be a problem with the slide stop spring, the shooters thumb, or the nose on the slide stop being hit by rounds rising in the magazine. You can check for the latter with your slide and barrel off the frame, but the slide stop and a magazine with two shots in it inserted into the frame.

Sorry you had some issues, but what you said about "if you get a good firearm you're set, if you get a bad gun, repairs can never make it right" are an uncalled for disgrace to Kahr. Your opinion yes, but you have little facts to base that on, and are relying on your emotions tied to recent issues to "create a fact scenario". Its poor form ol' chap.

I guess we will see, got another RMA for the pistol just now to go back to Kahr.
These guns retail for about $800.00, I would have thought they would work. (not like we are speaking about a Taurus) Besides, isn't it service that makes the difference in any manufacturer?
Sparx

[Bawanna]

Just send it back. Describe clearly and in detail exactly what all you are experiencing.

Send the whole thing with your mags in the original box so everything can be looked at and tested with your stuff.

It's a pain in the keester but they will take care of it. Get it running right and there's nothing like it.

[hardknocks1]

Hello
Sometimes you just get a lemon.
I don't throw good money after bad.
But I won't hesitate to get a nother one that most likely will run.
I been lucky with 3 9mm kahrs.
it may cost you more to get this one working than a trade in.
good luck

[Bawanna]

Shouldn't cost him anything to get it running. If Kahr can't make it run, they'll make him a new one.

It might take some patience and even a trip or two back but it's not gambling. No risk.

[Sparx]

Shouldn't cost him anything to get it running. If Kahr can't make it run, they'll make him a new one.

It might take some patience and even a trip or two back but it's not gambling. No risk.

This is what I expect,the gun never functioned properly from the first outing. I do have a CM9 that has been perfect, so a working Kahr is not an anomaly.
It went back today, should be at Kahr tomorrow morning.
sparx