g26 vs pm9

[f44life]

thanks for the responses keep them coming, can somebody post the links oil pre lubing them (pre cleaning before first fire) and I heard you had to rachet the slide 500times or something and what oil and supplys I need. Ill prolly buy just the gun read the manual on it clean it, then a couple days later go by bullets and hopefully in between there ill get my permit.

I was looking at american eagle rounds just to shoot not self defense of course

500rds 145bucks 9mm
500rds 180bucks .40
500rds 214bucks .45

Thats a heck of a difference, but i guess you like what ya like.

[jocko]

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thanks for the responses keep them coming, can somebody post the links oil pre lubing them (pre cleaning before first fire) and I heard you had to rachet the slide 500times or something and what oil and supplys I need. Ill prolly buy just the gun read the manual on it clean it, then a couple days later go by bullets and hopefully in between there ill get my permit.

I was looking at american eagle rounds just to shoot not self defense of course

500rds 145bucks 9mm
500rds 180bucks .40
500rds 214bucks .45

Thats a heck of a difference, but i guess you like what ya like.

this forum kahr tech section. The lube chart willbe in the first few sticky's at the top. It is super, use it as your guide for any semi.

then tool on down in that same kahr tech section until you find the thread PROPPER PREPPING OF YOUR NEW KAHR. lots of good tips there tomake your first range session a fun one.

go to wal mart and buy their 100 pak of WWB for around $23 a box. best price around and good ammo also...forget the defense ammo until the gun is running perfect, then choose the defenser ound of what is around ur area and test it out also..

[f44life]

thanks jocko I appreciate it

[ibm_db2]

imo a 9mm glock is pretty much an ideal "starter" gun so if you are new to handguns and want something you can carry the g26 is a great choice: affordable, reliable, easy to shoot and (imo) with a better trigger.

I couldn't disagree more Glock 9mm pistols are super great, but unless you order it with NY trigger, I would not recommend it as a "carry starter pistol". Too easy to for accidental discharge. Five of my coworkers got Glock 19, last year when Obama got elected, none of them is carrying it with a chambered round for fear of AD. None of my coworkers have any real training, they have not read one gun magazine article, no gun blogs, no gun forums etc. But their cousin, neighbor, coworker has a Glock so they get influence and get one. For real beginners a manual safety is in order, or a very heavy trigger pull.

[jocko]

totally agree. a Glock is not for everyone. My son who is not as gun nuts as I am but want sto learn etc and have a gun around his apartment also. I bought him a G19, I love it, but I put on the siderlock safety for him. I know some gun glaock fans will say no way but fgor my son and even for me this safety is right where a safety should be, and siderlock is totally machined. not a plastic part in it.

siderlock.com

look it over for your self, drops in, no mods needed. I bought mine from a glock armorer who attends alot of our major gun shows. It's the best I have seen for quality, looks, feel, and it is fast and interchangeable for right or left hand shooter.

[f44life]

I couldn't disagree more Glock 9mm pistols are super great, but unless you order it with NY trigger, I would not recommend it as a "carry starter pistol". Too easy to for accidental discharge. Five of my coworkers got Glock 19, last year when Obama got elected, none of them is carrying it with a chambered round for fear of AD. None of my coworkers have any real training, they have not read one gun magazine article, no gun blogs, no gun forums etc. But their cousin, neighbor, coworker has a Glock so they get influence and get one. For real beginners a manual safety is in order, or a very heavy trigger pull.

Um afraid it will be to clunky and I wont carry it much, and that trigger scares me. I have shot plenty of guns before when i was younger just never needed to own one myself...I moved from nw ohio (flat, boring) to 10min from downtown nashville in a diverse area....Im ready to carry and be responsible.

[joje]

Glock ... I would not recommend it as a "carry starter pistol". Too easy to for accidental discharge ... For real beginners a manual safety is in order, or a very heavy trigger pull.

ok this is totally off topic, but i really don't understand how a manual safety can make up for lack of training or judgement. a person, experienced or not, who doesn't understand to keep his finger of the trigger regardless of pistol design is probably best off not carrying. we all need to start somewhere. my first handgun was a glock and i felt the simplicity of the user interface decreased the risk of operator error.

ps i assume from your nick that you're a db admin? nice to see some other folks from the software industry on a gun board. there doesn't seem to be too many of us

[f44life]

you can holster a gun wrong and have it discharge

[MattTheKnife]

I'll add in my two cents.

I don't have a PM9, but I chopped the grip of mt CW9. So I say that counts. I also have a Glock 26.

They're both great sidearms. I've never had a problem with either and I shoot them with equal accuracy.

Of the two, I'd recommend the Glock over the Kahr. It is more durable and reliable. ex. With a Kahr, you have to get into the habit of "sling-shoting," or tugging back, the slide to load the weapon; with the Glock, you can reliable use the sling-shot method, or the slide-lock.

I realize the 26 is thicker and heavier, but is remains incredibly concealable. It is big for a pocket, but it can be carried in a pocket of proper design with a proper holster. Otherwise, the size difference is not noticeable.

Don't mention safety. Neither have an external, manual, safety. It's a matter of keeping your finger off the triggers until ready to fire with both. This is ametter of training.

The best way to avoid bad habits is to not learn them early on.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Kahrs and the afore-mentioned CW9 is my back-up/deep concealment weapon. But if it came down to just one gun: I'd take the 26.

[kahrseye]

I'll add in my two cents.

I don't have a PM9, but I chopped the grip of mt CW9. So I say that counts. I also have a Glock 26.

They're both great sidearms. I've never had a problem with either and I shoot them with equal accuracy.

Of the two, I'd recommend the Glock over the Kahr. It is more durable and reliable. ex. With a Kahr, you have to get into the habit of "sling-shoting," or tugging back, the slide to load the weapon; with the Glock, you can reliable use the sling-shot method, or the slide-lock.

I realize the 26 is thicker and heavier, but is remains incredibly concealable. It is big for a pocket, but it can be carried in a pocket of proper design with a proper holster. Otherwise, the size difference is not noticeable.

Don't mention safety. Neither have an external, manual, safety. It's a matter of keeping your finger off the triggers until ready to fire with both. This is ametter of training.

The best way to avoid bad habits is to not learn them early on.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Kahrs and the afore-mentioned CW9 is my back-up/deep concealment weapon. But if it came down to just one gun: I'd take the 26.

I pocket carry my PM9 almost every day.....shorts, jeans, dress pants, whatever. I CAN'T do that with my G27. I only carry the G27 in winter when I have heavier clothing and it's easier to conceal a OWB holster. The other day I pocket carried my PM45 in jean shorts. Try that with any glock. For those of us who really enjoy the comfortable carry, Kahr has it all over Glock. As far as reliability is concerned I would give the edge to glock overall, but have no issues whatsoever where my Kahrs are concerned. I do feel that Kahr quality control is getting much better.

As far as training to keep your finger off the trigger, I would agree, however accidents can and do happen. Recently I read either on this forum or on GlockTalk about a guy who was carrying his G30 in his jogging pants while shopping in a Home Depot or Lowes. The gun started to slip and when he went to grab it.....grabbed the trigger and shot one of his testicles. Had he carried a Kahr I don't think it would have happened. It's just not as easy to fire a Kahr as a glock with a standard 5.5 trigger.

[jocko]

KAHREYE: DEAD ON WITH YOUR COMMENTS. Also that is why they call them accidents.. Why do people sometime touch a oven burner when it is on???ACCIDENTS. Glocks are what they are,probalby the most copied semi in the world. The trigger safety is loved and hated by some LEO'S. Personally not a safety, if you keep your finger out of that area, the gun won't go off, but we all know people tend to screw up. the lowe's storty if indeed half true is an indicator of what can go wrong. They say when you drop agun , just let it go but we all know to that most will try to save it from physical damage and again ACCIDENT. Probalby the only safe gun is an empty gun and from my stand point that is not a defense gun. Glocks are not for everyone. Kahrs are not for everyone. the safer of the two goes to Kahr. In my mind the most accurate and most reliabe of the two goes to glock. Although my K9 aned PM9 have been flawless, as has been my Glock. What is between one's ears to me is the true indication of whether one should be carrying ANY gun.

but for me only the kahr's are truly a pocketable gun and I don't mean these baggy ass pants either. I can and do carry my PM9 24/7 in a desantis in jeans 24/7. It is not the most fast draw position but I don't get to carried away with that scenario either. BG doesn't know your carrying and the eliment of surprise is, I think , on your side. They really don't want a confrontation with anyone carrying a weapon, rthere are just to many unarmed people out there to prey on..

good luck guys, I'm outta here for 4 days, wife and I are taking the two harley's and headed to Branson and the mountain area...keep the pease.. and oh yes BAWANNA is back to be on the alert!! He is pissed as all he caught on his fishing trip was CARP and he is going to take it out on us!!!!

[kahrseye]

Man Shoots Himself in Testicles:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ooting04m.html

[f44life]

I guess you would have to joke after you completly humialated your self and permit holders.

Since ive never shot a glock, it would be easier for me just to learn only the kahr and i wont know the difference.

I was at a local gun store, old guy at the counter we were talking i said Im a little scared of that trigger on the glock....he is like safest gun in the world, police and military use them, burry them for a 1year in the dirt theyll work drop them on cement from a helicopter and it wont go off or damage...

I didnt want to debate so i just nodded.

How many pound pull is the kahr? other then the long pull on it?

glock is 5.5pound

[jocko]

kahrs out of the factory are about around 6-7#

[f44life]

thats makes them more safer then the glock