PM 45 Problems AGAIN: PROBLEMS RESOLVED!!!

[jfmay]

I was having problems with my brand new PM 45: Spent casings ejecting into my eyes and face and after empting a mag the slide would stay open as it's supposed to but when I inserted the new mag the slide would slam fwd. From what I understand about Kahrs the slide should not release forward?

Sent the pistol back a few weeks ago and they replaced the extractor and ejector with custom parts (to accomodade me being left handed). Worked well for about 100 rds, now shooting brass right back into my eyes and face NOT COOL. Also, the slide is slamming fwd again when I insert a new mag. Anyone have these problems?

This weapon was going to be my carry piece but I have some real concerns at this point. BTW...about 500+ rds fired.

[txpitdog]

I haven't had the same problems you've had, but I've had repeated problems with my PM40. The best advice I can give is to stay polite and professional in your request to customer service, and remind Kahr that you will keep sending the pistol back for repairs as a warranty claim until they repair it to function the way a $650 pistol should. Kahr's customer service has been very good in my experience and has paid shipping both times and gotten the pistol back to me in less than a week both times. Surely Kahr must be eating money on these issues. In my case they've replaced the ejector, slide, barrel, springs, and have sent 6 replacement mag followers.

So what exactly did they do as far as the left-handed issue? I'm left handed also. I haven't had any problems with ejected casings, but I'm curious what they changed for left handed people.

[jfmay]

Still waiting for them to take it to the range an shoot it? I must say that they have been very nice but I'm starting to get tired of the wait.

[jocko]

I was having problems with my brand new PM 45: Spent casings ejecting into my eyes and face and after empting a mag the slide would stay open as it's supposed to but when I inserted the new mag the slide would slam fwd. From what I understand about Kahrs the slide should not release forward?

Sent the pistol back a few weeks ago and they replaced the extractor and ejector with custom parts (to accomodade me being left handed). Worked well for about 100 rds, now shooting brass right back into my eyes and face NOT COOL. Also, the slide is slamming fwd again when I insert a new mag. Anyone have these problems?

This weapon was going to be my carry piece but I have some real concerns at this point. BTW...about 500+ rds fired.

NOt sure if you are doing it either but if you slam the magazine in, the slide will release. My G19 does it every time if I slam it in, Inserting it normaly it stays opens.

Some guys like this thing of the slide auto matically closing upon insertion. I can make my PM9 do it every time if I slam it in, otherwise it works great. Just not sure that is a problem.

I am a lefty and on occassions I will get a round on the head from y PM9 but I attribute it to being a lefty also. I am in an area where normally a right hand shooters head is not. Just not sure just how correctable it is to. Hope yours works out OK.

I realize your issues concern you to, and that is fine. I really don't see any reliability issues though.

Good luck and u do have a darn nice kahr there IMO>

[jfmay]

NOt sure if you are doing it either but if you slam the magazine in, the slide will release. My G19 does it every time if I slam it in, Inserting it normaly it stays opens.

Some guys like this thing of the slide auto matically closing upon insertion. I can make my PM9 do it every time if I slam it in, otherwise it works great. Just not sure that is a problem.

I am a lefty and on occassions I will get a round on the head from y PM9 but I attribute it to being a lefty also. I am in an area where normally a right hand shooters head is not. Just not sure just how correctable it is to. Hope yours works out OK.

I realize your issues concern you to, and that is fine. I really don't see any reliability issues though.

Good luck and u do have a darn nice kahr there IMO>

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Got it back last week and am still getting hit hard in the forehead and an occasional shell in the eye (glasses). I'm really concerned about this for obvious reasons. With all the issues I've had with this pistol I don't have any trust in it to carry. I think I made an expensive mistake.
Kahrs been great trying to correct but something just ain't right.

[jocko]

have u let anyone else shoot it??To see what is happening to them.

[500KV]

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Got it back last week and am still getting hit hard in the forehead and an occasional shell in the eye (glasses). I'm really concerned about this for obvious reasons. With all the issues I've had with this pistol I don't have any trust in it to carry. I think I made an expensive mistake.
Kahrs been great trying to correct but something just ain't right.

Did they cure the mag. release problem ?
I shoot with some lefties and the have the "empty on the noggin" problem with some of their guns as well.
Doesn't really affect the reliability, other than having to dodge the empties. OTOH I guess that could be an accuracy/acquisition problem couldn't it ?
Mine seem to get better the more I shoot them.
I'd put some more rounds through it before giving it up.
It might cure itself.

[jfmay]

have u let anyone else shoot it??To see what is happening to them.

Nobody wants to shoot it after the saw the cut on my forehead and the chip in my saftey glasses.

[jfmay]

Did they cure the mag. release problem ?
I shoot with some lefties and the have the "empty on the noggin" problem with some of their guns as well.
Doesn't really affect the reliability, other than having to dodge the empties. OTOH I guess that could be an accuracy/acquisition problem couldn't it ?
Mine seem to get better the more I shoot them.
I'd put some more rounds through it before giving it up.
It might cure itself.

Try to keep your focus on the front sight after an empty .45 hits you in the face and draws blood and another puts a chip in your safety glasses.. The casings come back with a lot of velocity. I shot right handed too and they were close to my head also. I've been shooting for over 20 yrs. and have many handguns and have neve seen this before.

Yes, the mag release problem was corrected. I guess I'll keep trying but I still am affraid to use for every day carry. Thank goodness for my Sig 220 and XD subcompact!!!

[500KV]

See where your coming from. Never heard of such.
Can't beat that P220.
Don't have an XD but hear they're top notch.

[jocko]

just

might be more prevelant in the 45 kahrs than the other caliber. Why that is I have no clue, other than a lefty shooter is more suseptable to getting hit by ejected rounds.

[jhiller]

I have had the exact same problem with my PM 45. Kahr even replaced the pistol . 50 rounds later it was kicking spent cases directly back into my forehead and safety glasses.
The only rounds that do not eject backwards are Corbon DPX and Remington 185 gr Golden Sabre.
All Speer, Federal and Winchester duty rounds kick straight back.

This seems to be a design defect and occurs to many if not all PM 45 owners after a few hundred rounds. This must be fixed or the pistol should be removed from the market. It is a hazard

BTW mine is back at the factory for a third time

[kpm9]

I've had the same thing happen with my PM45 and I must say the marks left on the forehead hang around for a day or two. It's quite irratating, so I don't shoot it as often. It did get better after 300+ rounds, but I'm not convinced it's totally gone, so it's the only gun I flinch with, which isn't good.

[jocko]

I have had the exact same problem with my PM 45. Kahr even replaced the pistol . 50 rounds later it was kicking spent cases directly back into my forehead and safety glasses.
The only rounds that do not eject backwards are Corbon DPX and Remington 185 gr Golden Sabre.
All Speer, Federal and Winchester duty rounds kick straight back.

This seems to be a design defect and occurs to many if not all PM 45 owners after a few hundred rounds. This must be fixed or the pistol should be removed from the market. It is a hazard

BTW mine is back at the factory for a third time

oh come on now "removed from the market a hazard". for some reason lefties are getting nailed with the PM45 far far far more than righties. Hazard, I think not. My G19 hits my head every once in awhile, Hazard?/I don't think so. My Para carry 9 was worse than my G19 was even and it was a 9mm and 1911 style, again I attribute my left hand shooting to being the culprit. No doubt to much will make you flinch, in ur case probably the best thing to do is to trade the gun in when you get it back from kahr if it is not the way you want it.

[jhiller]

Jocko...
You're probably right that I overstated it a bit but I took one in the forehead that bled all over my face and one that cracked my shooting glasses last time out
The problem created is not just the risk of serious eye injury, which is there if you aren't wearing glasses but the anticipation of the hit causes a flinch.

At my last outing with the pistol using Speer GD 185 gr and speer GD 230 gr Short Barrel rounds roughly 40 out of 60 fired came straight back. That's on pistol number 2 from Kahr.

I shoot left-handed so that may exacerbate the problem but while I have had this happen before with my other pistols over the past 45 years of shooting, never to this extent . It is also a very common complaint of PM45 owners. That's what makes me believe that the problem is inherent in the design