Is the pm9 high maintence???

[tconroy]

It takes me a long time to save up this kind of money and some of the issues I hear about on hear kinda scare me. And then you have to replace a couple of parts after 1200 rounds? After that , then what? Im really wanting one of these or a similar small 9 to carry. Please convince me this IS what I want. I have not shot one but thats no problem from what I do hear.

[MaxStravinsky]

I have 600-700 rounds through mine so far, bought it last summer. Have not had a single failure of any kind with it. And I find it really accurate. I do wish it was a little smaller. But it's the smallest 9mm we can have here in MA, and I'd rather have 9 than a smaller caliber.

[jocko]

what parts

It takes me a long time to save up this kind of money and some of the issues I hear about on hear kinda scare me. And then you have to replace a couple of parts after 1200 rounds? After that , then what? Im really wanting one of these or a similar small 9 to carry. Please convince me this IS what I want. I have not shot one but thats no problem from what I do hear.

after 1200 rounds are u talking about. If your read recoil springs that is always in the mind of the owner, some change at 1000, 2000, 5000, no set limiit. Most tend to go 2000 which for most owners is also a lifetime of shooting. Rohrbaugh R9 requires recoil springs to be changed ever 200 rounds. they tell u that in the manual. Rohrbaugh buyers know that going into the deal of $1200 per gun and waiting many months to even get one.
every gunI have owned had a parts manual--humm I wonder why that is,???Could it be that if a part breaks you simnply replace it and shoot some more?? My Audi is in the repair shop as I write this, humm????

Go to any specific gun forum and your gonna read of issues of that maker on that forum, Kahr is not the only one. I would not try to convince u of anythihg other than I will set you straight on what u stated. After that it is up to you. Kahrs are great gun and there are other great guns out there to but please don't kid yourself into thinking that ONLY kahrs can give issues.
This is the internet, so don't believe everything you read, do your own research , yes ask question but decipher for yourslef if the answer was a B. S. answer or one that makes good sense.

[jocko]

u got

I have 600-700 rounds through mine so far, bought it last summer. Have not had a single failure of any kind with it. And I find it really accurate. I do wish it was a little smaller. But it's the smallest 9mm we can have here in MA, and I'd rather have 9 than a smaller caliber.

as good as they come my friend, It will ride anywhere a P380 will ride, I own um both. When these 9's get to small they tend to be very uncomfortable, to shoot, to hold, so there fore that type of gun gets shot less than something like you PM9 would which is to me the right size for the caliber of gun it is. I would not own it, if it was that size in a 380.

Give kahr some credit for biting the bullet and making a kahr availalbe to you MA people and Komifornia people. You won't have any failures with that PM9 either if you take care of it. they are just that good of a gun and since Ihave been on this forum and read of many kahrs that have had to go bck, not once have I read where it took 2 months to get it back or for that matter even one moth. Kahrs service seems to be excellent...

[copterdrvr]

Are you buying the pistol as a "range" gun or are you buying for personal defense?

It will handle many, many, many rounds, but it ain't a CZ75, Glock or SIG 226-all much larger, beefier pistols. I think Jocko's fired over 30,000 rounds through his PM9. He may have replaced a couple of parts but good grief, that's alot of shootin'!

I own my Kahrs for personal defense. I enjoy shooting them but I'll admit I don't treat them as range blasters, I shoot them enough to stay "current" with them but I don't run through 5 boxes of bullets when I take it to the range. I have other guns so I spread the wealth around between them, so to speak!

I've shot a bunch of rounds through my PM9 and even from the very first time I fired it, it has NEVER failed to go bang when I pulled the trigger. I don't shoot the heck out of it as it sits in my nightstand ready to go with its CT Laser.

OOPS, Jocko got two posts in before I finished mine!!!

[joshh]

ive had my pm9 a year without any issues and probably have between 500-700 rounds thru it. stopped counting. i dont see any performance loss with this pistol, if anything its gotten smoother.
anyway, a complete spring kit from kahr is less than $60 and you can buy just the recoil springs from wolf for less than a box of walmart 9mm ammo($9).
i like this pistol a lot and would highly recommend it.

[jocko]

I won't own a gun that I can't shoot it like I stole it. I have a g19 and I love it, probablyy 5000 rounds through it. It had to go back due to slide lock issues, no big deal, very very rare on a glock, it goes bang all the time. My PM9 goes bang all the time. if one would even lay a glock slide and a kahr slide side by side you will see that the kahr slide is almost a twin to the glock slide. One will see there is zero more beef in a glock slide than the ultra light kahr slides and kahrs slides are stainless where glocks are not but have a very durable finish on them. The lower portion of a kahr and a glock IMO the kahrs is just a more simple ass system. It slides on rails inbedded into the polymer. To this day I have never heard of any rai;s breaking loose from the inbedded process. I would have no fear shooting my PM9 along my g19 for longevity, I just feel in my own mind kahrs are as durablle as any gun out there. I have never heard of any gun being shot out, be it a glock, sig, cz or a kahr. but I have heard of all of those breaking out some parts at times and that is why they have a parts manual for. I try not to compare other guns to other guns, as kahrs are certainly for me not a target gun like I can shoot my G19 like but also my G19 just won't ride in my front pocket AT ALL where my trusty PM9 is there 24/7. That to me is what a true defense gun is all about. Don't really care what gun you shoot but if it is home in the drawer then IMO it is not a defense gun..

[Kingcreek]

How are you going to use it? The PM series requires no more maintenence than any other handgun, and less than some. I bought a used PM9 that came with a spare new guide rod and spring but after 600 rounds, there is no indication that it needs to be replaced anytime soon.
I used to consider myself a high-volume shooter and I'm no stranger to maintenence . There was a time when I would shoot 8-10K rounds a year thru various firearms. I have a 1911 with over 40k through it and a couple others with pretty high mileage.

[OldLincoln]

You may read about polish this or that, etc., but that is primarily from those like me who can't keep from molesting... err... fondling... err... admiring their Kahrs. If it were a "car" it would have trick this and that on it with shiny glow in the dark paint.

[copterdrvr]

Well Jocko, it's a defense gun to me because it'll be the gun I'll grab if someone's breaking into my house tonight.

I live in southern Louisiana and except for winter I pretty much wear shorts and some kind of T shirt all the time. Now I carry my CW40 IWB, but for the rest of the year I carry my Keltec P3AT or my P380 in a Nemesis holster in a pocket. I'm 6 ft and about 170ish and for me, the PM9 is too big (thick) for comfortable pocket carry.

Once I get a CT laser for the P380 (like what's on my PM9 and P3AT), it'll be my primary "carry" piece. I have carried my Keltec P9F/CT laser on occasion in my pocket and I find it to be borderline too heavy for comfortable carry and it's a good bit thinner and it is lighter than the PM9.

[deadhead1971]

Mine is a range gun. And I carry it concealed. I went to the range Monday and fired 250 flawless rounds bringing my total to 2,895 rounds. I have had a small number of rounds getting stuck on the feed ramp (fail to feed) and had to bump the slide to chamber them. I have had maybe 5 or 6 total, and the last time I had this happen, it was with the 7 round magazine (not the 6 rd). Some claim the 7 rd mag has caused issues, but I only recently started to pay attention to which mags are in the gun when an issue happens. When I shoot, I alternate between 6 and the 7 rd mag. I carry the 7rd as a back-up mag in my back pocket.

I have had 2 warranty issues. And they are discussed here:

1) Flange issue http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t...ghlight=flange

2) Barrel flaking http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t...hlight=flaking

Kahr replaced the flaking barrel and the flange no charge, no fuss, no questions asked. My new barrel has 2,470 rounds with no nickel flaking. I also have a spare flange recoil assembly as a spare just in case.

As far as maintenance, I am on my third outer recoil spring. I changed the last spring out at 1,400 rds after a fail to feed. I figured it was time. I have some minor peening (wear) on the inside of the slide near the opening where the barrel fits. It is very minor, and this happened within the first 200 to 300 rounds I think and has NOT gotten any worse. It just went to a point and stopped. Some minor wear is normal I think.

Also, I fully clean the gun after each session--including taking apart the magazines and cleaning and inside and follower.

I have the LG 437 laser on mine, and it's so much fun to shoot with it.

[Dietrich]

I`ve got about 1700 flawless rounds through my PM9.I replaced the recoil spring at around 1200 rounds but only as preventive maintenance.I believe I could have waited another 1200 rounds but recoil springs are cheap.Jocko is right on the money when he says to do your own research and then make up your own mind.As for me,I can only tell you this,I trust my life and the life of she who is most dear to me with my PM9.It is dependable,accurate and easy to carry.There`s my two cents worth.

[tconroy]

WOW quite a response!!! Thanks everyone for your opinions. It sounds like everyone will stand behind this little 9. I will be using it to carry concealed and also to take to the range to keep my Ruger sp 101 3" revolver company.The ruger is for the winter but just wanted a 9 for summer carry and cheaper ammo for the range. I have done a lot of research and seems to me this IS the way to go. Thanks again everyone for you input. Im hoping to own a Kahr soon.

[yqtszhj]

You cant go wrong with a Kahr, IMO. I love mine.

[Popeye]

I can honestly say that mine has been 100% reliable. It has never failed to load, fire, or eject anything I've ever fed it. I have about a 1,000 rounds through it. I CC it everyday. The PM9 is on my never to sell list.