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[Bawanna]

Me, impatient??? Other than the LCP which was a gift, I don't think any of my pistols were introduced within the last five or six years. The 3rd gen S&W 4043 which I just bought, has been out of production for years. I just like the 3rd gen all metal S&W semi's.

BTW, I have been working on my taxes this morning, and I have the W-2 from Universal Studios in front of me. My 'movie star' salary for 8 hours regular time and 2 1/2 hours overtime after taxes was exactly $119.36. I could have made that in an hour at my day job. Sometime I wonder how those Hollywood types build those Malibu homes on $119 a day.

Dang, thats pretty good. About 5x what I usually make assembling fishing lures and whittling grips. I do love my side jobs though. It's my day job that's starting to suck.
I don't think I have your movie star qualities though, guess I'm not cut out for acting. Although I could probably be Jennifers personal assistant or body guard or something. Less salary of course but the view would be nice.

[wyntrout]

Me, impatient??? Other than the LCP which was a gift, I don't think any of my pistols were introduced within the last five or six years. The 3rd gen S&W 4043 which I just bought, has been out of production for years. I just like the 3rd gen all metal S&W semi's.

BTW, I have been working on my taxes this morning, and I have the W-2 from Universal Studios in front of me. My 'movie star' salary for 8 hours regular time and 2 1/2 hours overtime after taxes was exactly $119.36. I could have made that in an hour at my day job. Sometime I wonder how those Hollywood types build those Malibu homes on $119 a day.

Hey! They have agents who get a cut, so they have an incentive to get million dollar salaries to share. You just need a good agent... a REALLY good one.

Wynn

[xmanridesred]

until a couple of days ago my local gun shop was showing $400 when it became avaliable. now it has been changed back to the msrp...i wonder why?

[frank_drebin]

I wonder if all of the new PM9's will have the newer slanted-muzzle. Mine is the original style.

[jocko]

yes they will and IMO u got the best style to..

[frank_drebin]

I kind of like the new slanted look. It seems like it would be easier to holster. I like the older look though.

[Colt41]

I was a bit on the fence about the new style before ordering my new PM9, but after seeing the bevel work up close with the gun in hand I'm thoroughly sold on it. I do like the older style as well, though.

[mr surveyor]

on the technical side, and maybe not even an issue, but when they melted muzzle end of the slide, did they add the weight back to it somehwere else? Just guessing, but as small as these things are, and as precisely designed as they have to be to meet the power/weight ratio for proper function, it would seem to me that any change in the slide weight could potentially change the reliability. With 9mm and up, it may not be near the issue it is with the lower calibers (.22, .25, .32acp, .380acp).

Just thinking with my fingers (as opposed to thinking out loud...no one would have heard me)


surv

[jackblack73]

on the technical side, and maybe not even an issue, but when they melted muzzle end of the slide, did they add the weight back to it somehwere else? Just guessing, but as small as these things are, and as precisely designed as they have to be to meet the power/weight ratio for proper function, it would seem to me that any change in the slide weight could potentially change the reliability. With 9mm and up, it may not be near the issue it is with the lower calibers (.22, .25, .32acp, .380acp).

Just thinking with my fingers (as opposed to thinking out loud...no one would have heard me)


surv

The new style slide is slightly longer. Don't know if that was done to add weight or what.

[jocko]

why add weight to a sub compace ultra light gun. 1.2 ounces is certainly no weight addition IMO. It looks nice if that is what floats ones boat and certainly your not going to have a choice of the old style anymore, so we must accept it as PROGRESS.????

I guess I am just old school, Not like the pM was not selling like hotcakes anyhow so I still question the CHANGE..

[mr surveyor]

Jocko...the weight question was brought up as a technical question. Does removing mass (weight) from the slide effect proper operation in such a close tolerance (due to size) handgun. And, if so, did Kahr just appear to remove material from the muzzle end of the slide but return it to another inconspicuos location? Maybe the weight/balance thing isn't an issue with the PM9, but I have read that it is definately an issue with the smaller guns in general.

[frank_drebin]

Does anyone have a shot of both from the underside of the slide? I'm betting there is more metal on the ID of the newer slide muzzle.

[Bawanna]

I gotta believe it's just a cosmetic change and perhaps to aid a bit in holstering. I'm sure the weight issue is very very close and they obviously did the math to make sure it would continue to work and function as well as the old model.

I know every year when Chevy brings out their new pickups I think they've ruined them. Time goes by and they kind of grow on ya till you like em pretty well. A new year comes along and they ruin them again and the cycle repeats itself.

The bevel does make them look slightly less glockish which to me is a good thing. I won't be trading off my old style PM for the new one but if I ever get a new one as a mate, I'll probably be ok with that too.

[Colt41]

Jocko...the weight question was brought up as a technical question. Does removing mass (weight) from the slide effect proper operation in such a close tolerance (due to size) handgun. And, if so, did Kahr just appear to remove material from the muzzle end of the slide but return it to another inconspicuos location? Maybe the weight/balance thing isn't an issue with the PM9, but I have read that it is definately an issue with the smaller guns in general.

Surveyor,

The new slide is actually cut longer before being beveled on the ends so the slide is actually slightly longer and heavier than the previous slide by 1oz.

As far as how it effects operation, I'm sure significant changes in slide weight would effect proper function, however Kahr representatives had stated this change is mostly cosmetic and that it does not effect function. A couple benefits for the beveled design could be improved holstering and a slightly longer sight radius, but I don't think either of those were really an issue with the previous design.

[jocko]

probably

Jocko...the weight question was brought up as a technical question. Does removing mass (weight) from the slide effect proper operation in such a close tolerance (due to size) handgun. And, if so, did Kahr just appear to remove material from the muzzle end of the slide but return it to another inconspicuos location? Maybe the weight/balance thing isn't an issue with the PM9, but I have read that it is definately an issue with the smaller guns in general.

well over a 100K of the PM kahrs out there with the old style slide. For me I ain't buying the new slide as a issue solver for better reliabilty over the older version which IMO was never an issue anyhow.

When I inquired with my inside source at kahr who was in higher management as to why they did the new style, his answer was: BECAUSE THE BOSS WANTED IT..

I have not seen the new slides to review what your question was about did they relocate weight somewhere else. IMO I would say defninitely not, as in essence they actually added 1.2 ounces to the new style slide, so why would they have to relocate any weight. They added weight. The old style kahr slides were certainly not on the lightweight side, kahr saved a ton of their weight in the lower section where as other mfg-ers could not. Lay a kahr slide on a scale next to a glock slide of same size and ur gonna see they are very similar in weight.

I think it was a cosmetic thing for what ever reason of good they might feel it was, I'm cool with it, but I am so so glad I have the old style 1.2 ounce lighter kahr. had they maintained the same weight I might be singing a different tune. I bought my PM9 for its small size and ultra light weight, as my intentions was always to pocket carry it. If one is going to waist band carry his PM9 or 40 than that extra length and weight is certainly a no brainer either.

I guess I don't see the extra beauty in what they did either. My Glock and Smith M & P has the blunted non tapered end . Who knows this might be the new fad and kahr can say heh we did it first..:israel: