Pm45 frusrations

[fleegs]

I have owned the black plastic pm45 for 5 weeks now and 600 rounds of various ammo( all 230 grain ) later this piece of crap is on its way back to kahr.i have spent $906 which includes mn tax and and $300 on ammo (winchester pdx1 self defense,winchester white box,speer le duty ammo and tried hornaday 230 grain +p only to have to sell the hornaday at a loss because this pistol wont accept it in the barrel.$100 at the pistol range and i would have to throw this thing at a bad guy to protect myself or family.are you fooken kidding me kahr.the place i purchased this from is pissed to because it will ruin there rep.i hope they send the gun shop a new pistol so he can sell this to someone else.i will ask to have a store credit for $906 and get a differnt pistol.for this price i passed up many hi qualit 45acp.granted not as small as the pm45.i respect the members on this forum but i am not willing to grind this down or shave a little here or there.the take down pin hole is oval and a chunk broke of the slide and i have come to the conclusion you have to be a damn gun smith and have more money and time than i have to own a pm45.i have 0 confidence in this pistol and even if they sent me a new one who the heck is going to pay for the 200 plus rounds and the trips back to the range to break the new one in.sorry guys i at my witts end and frustrated.if i am forced to accept a new one if it jams on round 201 i will send it back or get the $ back. Thanks for listening:53:

[CJB]

"....if it jams on round 201 i will send it back...."

Well at least you're learning. It took you 600 rounds to come to the "send back" conclusion the first time. Good job!

[Catshooter]

600 rounds! Wow, that bad. I stopped at 250 and sent my PM 45 back to the mother ship. Works wonderfully now.

It was worth it to me as there is no competition for it.


Cat

[500KV]

Gun smith? Maybe. Based on my very limited experience and what people post here, it's hard not to feel as if you either get a Kahr that runs right out of the box or will have to send it back to Kahr for rebuilding.
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I think you have pretty much stated the facts Tucson.
It seems that most new Kahrs function properly "out of the box" but there does seem to be a high number that don't.
Don't know whether you would attribute that to poor QC or the fact that the size/design/dimensions of the guns, or some of both, contribute to the problems we see outlined here on the forum.

I have three of the guns and luckily have not had any major problems with any of them.
The couple of minor problems I did have corrected themselves after I tinkered with them and put a fair number of rounds through them.
All three are now 100%.

I personally feel that Kahr should put the 200 rounds through the guns before they sell them if,in fact, that's what it takes to assure that the guns are reliable. It sure wouldn't hurt the gun and would be cheaper than the return shipping costs and buyer frustration that could be eliminated with this procedure.
Just my.02... and hope you get her straightened out fleegs.

[fleegs]

The 600 rounds i put thru it might be a little much but thought maybe it would clear up.My bad .My thoughts along with several others is that kahr should put the 200 rounds thru there pistols to save a ass chewing on the forum.If i paid 200 dollars for the pm45 i would exspect issues.I could have spent another 100 dollars and got a kimber.I love the feel of the pm45 and i am sure hoping when and if i get it back it will go bang and not click.

[10Kahrs]

I have had the nothing but problems with hornady ammo and kahr 45 pistols. Gotta run gold dots or remington GS

[CJB]

Fleegs, have faith. I just put 350rounds through my Kahr PM45, and zero malfunctions that were not obviously ammo related. Kahr will make it right, I know it.

[TheTman]

Believe me, I feel your pain Fleegs. I know you read about my troubles with the CW45. I don't think the 200 round thing is not uncommon. My buddy's Kimber Ultra Carry II says to shoot either 200 or 400 rounds through it before it's considered broke in. Do any of you Glock owners know if they say to run a certain amount of ammo through their guns before considering them for carry? My Beretta manual doesn't state any break-in period, but I shot it quite a bit, before I started carrying it. I had it for years before we were able to get CC permits here.
There is not a a semi auto made that I would feel comfortable carrying without having put at least 200 trouble free rounds through, and preferably 400-500. I did break my own rule with my CW40, and carried after I put only about 150 trouble free rounds through it, but that was after the 200 round break in, and realizing that i was causing a majority of the problems with the way I held the gun.
I agree Kahr should put more rounds through their guns before sending them to the dealer, but I'd still have to shoot a couple hundred myself to feel confident with it.
I sure hope they get our pistols running right Fleegs.

[fleegs]

Hey Thetmanski thanks for the reply.Some questioned the 600 rounds i put thru the gun but i did have the barrel polished around the 200 round.I dont ***** much but after all i went thru i :40:.No one wants this pistol to stay with me more than i.But 2 things will happen in this order 1 give me a functioning self defense weapon as advertised or you will take your gun back and i will go with something differnt.I would prefer a functioning self defense weapon.Kahr forum members ROCK and hope i can continue to be apart of it.Thanks again

[Cornel]

Fleegs... we can only hope for your PM45 to return 100% functional!

In my case I have a CW45 was flawless for the firsts 250 rds, then it started to have some stovepipes and failure to return to battery. I noticed this when I saw the slide stop coming off away from the frame about 1/8 of an inch. E-mail the comp. and got a new slide stop spring that is installed already. But I still have to go to the range to test it with about 150 rds of ball ammo.

This is my main CCW, and for a reason, so I hope this is going to be the second and last slide stop spring I'll need for a very, very long time.

Again, just stating the facts. Many 1000's of Kahr's pistols out there are working just fine, but (and apparently it is big BUT) there are also a good number of Kahr owners that are having problems with their CCW's and this is a very serious thing to consider, especially when these pistols are made for this special purpose.

So the people experiencing problems are going to mention them and, obviously, look for a solution in order to fix the problem and keep the pistol rather than get to the resolution of giving up the CCW and moving away.

Again, I'm not trying to be critical for the sake of it, but I do have some real problems with my CW45 and how else I (we) can say so?

[fleegs]

Hey cornel there are times when you feel good that you are not alone or the only one having issues but obviously i wish this was just my problem.I honestly hope you and i and all kahr gun owners never hear click when our life depends on bang.Thats for every gun maker and fellow americans and legal aliens!!!I am giving kahr one more chance to make a believer out of me or i will be forced to dump it and move on.Our lifes depend on it so my loyalty is to BANG and not CLICK. Thanks

[kahrseye]

Fleegs, I had to send back my PM45 and it was returned to me in 10 days! I think that's pretty darn fast. They replaced the trigger bar. You mentioned a couple other manufacturers.....they have problems too. There's not a company out there that hasn't had issues at one time or another. These are mechanical devices, and sometimes they have problems. Kahr's reputation and reliability are solid. They'll take care of your weapon. Good luck.

[fleegs]

kahrseye the responses i have gotten from kahr members is encouraging and like i said there is no one more than me who would love to post a thread saying i put 500 rounds thru my pm45 with zero malfunctions.I opoligize to everyone in regards to my venting but the bottom line is still trust in your weapon.Like all other military members that relied upon there weapon and civilians like i am now the fact that if you pull your weapon out you darn shure want it to be reliable.I will give it one more try and see how it goes and thank you for your response

[jocko]

if u loose faith in a gun, any gun, then just get rid of it and move on. It is gonna happen, some owners are going to get so pissed they can't see straight and w0n't settle for anything but perfection out of the box. If that doesn't happen then it is a POS gun and we read about it on this and every other forum. Seems that is how gun forums work. When some get a POS they have to post on every gun forum what a POS it is . That is the nature of gun forums. You don't see that from a happy poster. He doesn't go around to all the other fourm and posts happy things about his particular gun. Pick any forum, and I mean any forum and your gonna read far more negatives than positives. I am a Porsche owner and if you think they are a great car, well they are but if you thinki they have no issues, then get your head out of ur ass. THEY DO. Owners put up with them, they work them out and they go on. they know mechanical things break. Not nice when it happens to you eihter, so I am not alibing for a car maker or gun maker, just trying to state some facts. YOUR GONNA READ FAR FAR MORE NEGATIVES ON ANY FORUM. Happy gun owners don't post much, 99% of all gun onwers don't even know about gun forums, let alone post on them, they just don't. Kahrs are great guns, but some are also POS that should have never left the building. Gun forums can be helpful to owners, sometimes a tad of TLC can go a long way toward makng a not so perfecrt gun perfect.

Now if you have a great working gun and I don't care what name it is and u think you can't trust it becuase you read other complaints about the same gun, then u have a real problem. Probably u should not be driving the vehicle you ae presently driving either for that model has some issues and I don't care what make and model it is. Lets remember the TOYOTA was knocked off of it pedestal not to long ago and they are still recalling them today to fix things. That is also what a good company should do. fix what they make that is not right. Kahr does that, their service is the fastest I have ever seen. I owned 3 kel tek, sent those fokkers back 17 times, normal turn around was 4 to 8 weeks, never ever faster than 4 weeks. My 3 were total POS **** guns, I tried like hell to just get them running reliable enough TO PEDDLE them. go over to that forum and read there. Some guys love um so much they have a whole fleet of them, and still some post what POS GUNS they are to, It is just gonna happen.

I own two HARLEY'S RIDE UM LIKE i STOLE UM. tHEY OVER THE YEARS HAVE NOT HAD A STELLAR RELIABILITY RECORD AS U WELL KNOW. tHEYTODAY imo ARE Great bikes but you betcha, they still can and some still do give issues. For me I would rather push my harley than ride a metric bike, that is the way I am, and over 50 years, I have indeed pushed my Harley. I have also sent my P380 back once to .

It is OK to come here and vent to but for me just be alittle careful how you do it, for there are many many here that love their kahrs, This is a kahr forum, not a kahr bashing forum, u need to go to Glock talk for that or THR. This is a forum that is here to help and if you come with an issue we will do what we can to help but if you try to make more of it than it is, then you won't get any support. This stuff I read about well it is a design flaw or I would do it differently. then build your own damn gun and forget about the guns that is out there.

If ur unhappy with your kahr and don't trust it, then peddle it, but please don't try to come on here and convince the rest of us to take the same train ride that you are on. It ain't gonna happen.

[KelevGadohl]

.... Do any of you Glock owners know if they say to run a certain amount of ammo through their guns before considering them for carry? ...

I've had five glocks so far. G17 (very early production, first year I think), G19, G26, G23 and a G27. Not a single problem with factory ammo of which I've run thousands through these pistols.

Looking at a CM9 right now but some of these posts are making me think.

Should I wait for a Glock Sub-Subcompact?

I'm not adverse to working on my guns. I'm a veteran of a number of Century Arms rifle builds purchases that took some tinkering to get up and running acceptably but I'm not sure I want to do this in a carry weapon.