New Beretta Nano pistol 9mm.

[trelliswires]

I could not get the photos on the Accurate Shooter Bulletin to copy and paste onto this post. Please go to: http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/ to view the photos, video and Spec. Sheet PDF.

The Nano does not appear to be a simpler gun than the Kahr. Justin adhered to the principle of Occam's Razor in establishing the design of his Kahr pistol - a much simpler and desirable design.


From: http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/

September 27th, 2011

"New Beretta Nano Pistol Features Modular Serialized Chassis"
"Put this in the “it’s about time” department. We’ve long wondered why makers of polymer-framed handguns don’t serialize the internal sub-chassis, so owners can swap frames (shells) easily without legal issues. Currently, for example, if you have a Glock and need to replace a damaged frame, you must return the frame to the manufacturer. Glock then destroys the frame and replaces it with a new frame with the same serial number. That’s necessary because the unitized Glock frame/chassis together constitute the serialized part. If you don’t want to relinquish your original frame, the only way to get asecond Glock frame is to buy a new gun, and do a new DROS with background check."



"Beretta has come up with a better solution. Beretta realized that pistol owners might want to upgrade their frames, or have multiple frames for the same serialized handgun — one frame could have a short grip and while another has a full-sized grip. With its new Beretta BU-9 Nano subcompact 9mm pistol (to be released in October), the serial number is stamped on a separate, removable internal chassis. The polymer frame bears no serial number. As a result, Nano pistol owners can purchase additional frames without legal restrictions. Acquiring a new Nano frame would be just like buying a new recoil spring or other accessory. CLICK HERE for Beretta Nano Spec Sheet (PDF)."



"We hope other manufacturers follow Beretta’s lead. Removing the serial number from a handgun’s external polymer shell allows aftermarket companies to develop a variety of frames with different features. Aftermarket frames could even be custom-molded to fit the owner’s hand. Additionally, the gun manufacturer could package multiple frames with one chassis for the original sale. That would appeal to folks who want a stubby grip for carry and a full-size grip for gun games."

"Along with its novel serialized “modular chassis”, the new Nano has some other interesting features, including a push-button “striker de-activator”. This allows the gun to be disassembled without pulling the trigger. Also both front and rear sights are secured with set screws. This allows a user to easily adjust (or change out) the sights without expensive tools. These features are explained in the video below."

Watch "Ben, with Beretta" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ML1474saF7g

[ripley16]

I'm one of those hopefully waiting and anxiously watching for the new Beretta to make an appearance. Beretta quality is legend. Presumably we'll have another high quality firearm suitable for everyday concealment.

[94zcar]

Just got an email a few days ago from The gun Source about the Beretta Nano...looks very interesting some nice features!

[HeyGuysWatchThis]

to me, the only really compelling feature of this gun is the removable grip frame, and I think that idea makes more sense in the larger gun category, the Sig P250, for example. If you added a full size frame, you'd still be left with a single stack gun with a fat grip. It just looks like an engineering exercise to add the removable frame. Probably if this one does well, they'll move the idea into their full size guns that are coming next.

All that to say, I don't see anything that makes me think I should trade in my CM9. If this had come out a year ago so that it was a fairly mature design this summer when I was shopping, it might have been different, but as is, they're too late to the party for me. I do expect they'll sell a lot of them, though, as this is getting to be a popular market segment.

[OldLincoln]

As an aside..... Every time I read "Nano" I can't help but recall that silly TV series with Robin Williams as a space alien, and a cute silly young woman as a .... cute silly young woman. At appropriate times he would say "Nano, Nano".

Now back to you previously scheduled thread....

[JFootin]

... If you added a full size frame, you'd still be left with a single stack gun with a fat grip...

Remember, you could swap out the slide, barrel and magazine, too. Double stack would be doable.

[hoghunter]

I don't know. That "disassembly cam" looks a lot like the bits and pieces you put modular furniture together with. I can tell you from experience with the Beretta Neos U22 that the plastic disassembly wheel (at least in my Neos) was worthless and stripped out in a heartbeat. I would need to see this part of the Nano before dreaming of purchasing it. It looks much different than the Neos as it is almost like a flat-head srewdriver slot- so hopefully Beretta learned their lesson. I think we will see a single stack 9mm come out every year from each manufacturer as the market is growing. Still waiting for a certain Austrian company to put one out .

[apdturbo]

the simplest available theory is sometimes a less accurate explanation.

edited to add: not liking the set screws in sights, even recommended blue locktite. the "nano" looks like a compact pistol not a sub compact/micro.

[CJB]

All I know is... the Sig P250 was promised in 45acp, sub-compact, and they never could get it to work reliably. Hence, and for the better, I'm now the proud owner of not one, but two Kahr PM45's.

Can't say with Beretta, but the hoopla about "quick conversion" on the Sig was short lived, as each slide takes its own unique frame, there is very little mix-n-match. And, to make things worse, the price of the kits are not discounted that much, while the guns are discounted. That means the real price for a conversion kit is very close to the price of a new pistol.

[Russ]

Bottom line will the Nano out perform the Kahr CM9. I have fired 650 rounds with mixed feelings. I am going shooting tomorrow after Kahr installed for the second time after the first night sight fell off. I also had Kahr repair the gun due to the slide getting held up on the back of the shell. I think most call it failure to Feed. Only happened 1 in 50. I wish I felt 100% comfortable with my Kahr nut it has been a mixed bag. I hope its smooth moving forward if not I may be saying Nano Nano

[trelliswires]

Mork has moved on....

Mork (Robin Williams) is one of my favorite people.

Mork has morphed into Ramón and Lovelace (Happy Feet). Hilarious!

[aray]

Kahr CM9 vs. Beretta Nano

FYI here's a side-by-side of the specs of the CM9 and the Nano:

Kahr CM9
Caliber: 9mm
Overall length: 5.42"
Barrel length: 3.00”
Overall height: 4.00"
Width: 0.90"
Weight: 14 oz. pistol + 1.9 oz. mag. Total = 15.9 oz.
Capacity: 6+1 single stack magazine
Sights: pinned front, drift adjustable (ha!) rear
Finish: polymer frame, stainless steel slide
MSRP: $565
Web site: http://www.kahr.com/Pistols/Kahr-CM9.asp
YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFlLU1RaP38

Beretta Nano
Caliber: 9mm
Overall length: 5.63"
Barrel length: 3.07”
Overall height: 4.17"
Width: 0.90"
Weight: 17.67 oz. (not further broken down)
Capacity: 6+1 single stack magazine
Sights: removable & adjustable front & rear (set screws)
Finish: polymer frame, slide & barrel black nitride, internal chassis stainless steel, springs zinc plated
MSRP: $475
Web site: http://www.berettanano.com/
YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML1474saF7g

So the Nano is approximately 2 tenths of an inch longer and taller, and a couple of ounces heavier. On the flip side it’s a hundred bucks cheaper.

I think both will be good guns, and a hit for both companies.

[Rainman48314]

I don't know. That "disassembly cam" looks a lot like the bits and pieces you put modular furniture together with. I can tell you from experience with the Beretta Neos U22 that the plastic disassembly wheel (at least in my Neos) was worthless and stripped out in a heartbeat. I would need to see this part of the Nano before dreaming of purchasing it. It looks much different than the Neos as it is almost like a flat-head srewdriver slot- so hopefully Beretta learned their lesson. I think we will see a single stack 9mm come out every year from each manufacturer as the market is growing. Still waiting for a certain Austrian company to put one out .

There's things I could criticize about my Neos, but that "wheel" being plastic is not one of them. Mine is metal. I hate the design, though. Sights suck. Safety is backwards. The slide is covered by a sharp edged rail. Too different from other guns to be a trainer. Good cheap shooting. For Sale to Michigan resident. PM me.

[cgo99]

It looks like a very interesting design with great features and I hope that Beretta comes thru with modular part of it; I've heard before that more modular parts will come to market and that never happens (The Bushmaster"s ACR comes to mind).
I think I'll wait until other modular pieces come out in the market to make a purchase, that been said Beretta is a good company with good products so hopefully they will not disappoint.

[hoghunter]

There's things I could criticize about my Neos, but that "wheel" being plastic is not one of them. Mine is metal. I hate the design, though. Sights suck. Safety is backwards. The slide is covered by a sharp edged rail. Too different from other guns to be a trainer. Good cheap shooting. For Sale to Michigan resident. PM me.

Rain,
The wheel on my son's Neos was plastic. I know because the only way we could get it disassembled was to take a wrench to it due to it being so tight. My fingers are large and I could not get that little wheel to turn. Of course I was not thinking and did not protect the wheel with a cloth and the wrench shredded the plastic wheel. Lesson learned. Replaced the wheel and sold the gun!