wife wants a LC9 now, cn't rack the slide

[MikeyKahr]

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[muggsy]

Ok guys, I need your help. As you all may remember, we had a break in, and her gun was stolen.

Well, it's time for the insurance to pay up. She is getting a new gun. She wanted a safety, as she said she understands the long trigger pull, but for her own peace of mind, she wants a safety. I have no argument, it's her gun to carry.

I suggested a PM9 with safety, Bud's has one for $710. Sounds great to me. She said no, flat out no. She refuses to carry a pistol she can't rack, which is great. She can rack the Kahr 380, Ruger's LCP and LC9, the kimber solo, Springfield EMP, my S&W M&P .45, all of these, except for her PM9. We shot 500 rounds through it. It NEVER loosened up. As in, it was hard for me, and I am BIG strong guy (6'0", 260lbs, 420lb dead lift for sets, 240 bench press for sets). I am not bragging about my fitness level, as my waist line would betray it anyway

It's just illustrate a point that the PM9 was juts too damn hard to rack.

What can we change to be able to pull this slide back? I feel like the PM9 is the superior concealed micro 9 out of the field. She doesn't want to touch .380. I can't see shooting 1000 rounds to loosen it up, as after 500, it was just as tough to rack as after 100 rounds.

Any suggestions?

There's an old saying, "If mom ain't happy ain't nobody happy." Truer words were never spoken. Let her decide on a gun. In that way you are off the hook. Taurus and Ruger both make nice nines, as do many others.

[jocko]

I would just go ahead and buy her the lc9, it is a nice gun and if a safety is what she wants, indeed please here. Kahr used to offer a lady's Pm9 but all it really was was a lighter recoil spring,. The ruger is a nice gun. Kahrs are tight as u well know and for some a real bit-h to hand rack. We can't force what we want on a woman and if she is willing to carry then for sure oblige her with what she wants. Would be nice if she could range test a lc9 first though..

kudos to her for wanting to carry also.

[Michael W.]

it's not just that the PM9 is tight but rather the whole action is shorter than
the LC9. Theres a lot that needs to happen in less time with shorter slide travel.
Thus the stronger spring to allow it all to take place.

that's also why the pm9 is a smaller more compact gun.

The LC9 has a lot going for it for someone with less hand strength.

My wife and I went through the same decision process
and she still can't rack the CM9 but she shoots it so much better
(due to the trigger) that we're both much more confident with
what she can do with the 6+1 she has access to and a slingshot
reload that it mitigates the inability to tap rack bang.

Owning both guns I can tell you aside from the obnoxious trigger
on the LC9 it also has significantly more muzzle flip
than the Kahr. So either way we were working against some handicap
with either gun. She went with the one she could shoot better
and I concurred.

But bottom line, it's your responsibility to make sure she has choices,
give her the facts , the pros and cons, then stand back and let her
choose.

M-

P.S. we still have the LC9 and it's growing on me, trigger and all.
its a slick and very comfy belt carry gun.


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[TriggerMan]

I would add the Sig P238 to your list. Best sights of any gun its size. Soft shooter. It has a safety and a nice SA trigger.

I would eliminate the Kahr 380 based on what I read here.

I would eliminate the LCP as it is hard to shoot accurately and no one really enjoys practice with it, consequently, there isn't much practice.

The LC9 has the longest trigger but is a nice gun and reliable out of the box. A good value too.

[robdnor]

I would eliminate the LCP as it is hard to shoot accurately and no one really enjoys practice with it, consequently, there isn't much practice.

I personally find the lcp a fun little gun, then again mine has 745 rounds through it... but thats in part because i prefer to run 500 or more through any potential carry gun, to test the function as well as 'learning' the particular gun

[rogerthedodger]

For those Ruger LC9 owners the long trigger pull fix is here!
http://www.gallowayprecision.com/lc9...anceparts.html
Roger

[Wolffire99]

Had to chime in on this one. With proper technique, anyone over the age of 10 can rack the slide on a semi-auto. It requires more strength to lift a gallon of milk out of the fridge than to pull a slide back. #1 they have to get over the psychological block that they think they just can't do it. #2 you have to explain large and small muscle groups and how using one vs the other will effect racking a slide.

[Jigger]

I agree with TriggerMan. The sig p238 is very accurate,excellent sights,low recoil, and you can get them in many variations. Have her look at one and try to shoot one then let her decide.

[TriggerMan]

For those Ruger LC9 owners the long trigger pull fix is here!
http://www.gallowayprecision.com/lc9...anceparts.html
Roger

Had I known this, I would not have sold mine. Oh well, a friend carries it now.

[TriggerMan]

Had to chime in on this one. With proper technique, anyone over the age of 10 can rack the slide on a semi-auto. It requires more strength to lift a gallon of milk out of the fridge than to pull a slide back. #1 they have to get over the psychological block that they think they just can't do it. #2 you have to explain large and small muscle groups and how using one vs the other will effect racking a slide.

You must drink skimmed milk.

[rogerthedodger]

it's not just that the PM9 is tight but rather the whole action is shorter than
the LC9. Theres a lot that needs to happen in less time with shorter slide travel.
Thus the stronger spring to allow it all to take place.

that's also why the pm9 is a smaller more compact gun.

The LC9 has a lot going for it for someone with less hand strength.

My wife and I went through the same decision process
and she still can't rack the CM9 but she shoots it so much better
(due to the trigger) that we're both much more confident with
what she can do with the 6+1 she has access to and a slingshot
reload that it mitigates the inability to tap rack bang.

Owning both guns I can tell you aside from the obnoxious trigger
on the LC9 it also has significantly more muzzle flip
than the Kahr. So either way we were working against some handicap
with either gun. She went with the one she could shoot better
and I concurred.

But bottom line, it's your responsibility to make sure she has choices,
give her the facts , the pros and cons, then stand back and let her
choose.

M-

P.S. we still have the LC9 and it's growing on me, trigger and all.
its a slick and very comfy belt carry gun.

Racking the slide does take some muscle control I agree.
Just a heads up on the Ruger LC9, THe long trigger pull and muzzle flip is being addressed. The LC9 will then be competing head to head with the PM9/CM9.Galloway is offering fixes at a nominal price. http://www.gallowayprecision.com/lc9...anceparts.html .
Roger

[TheTman]

I recently bought an LC9 and it's been totally reliable, not one malfunction in over 200 rounds. I like it because of the safety and can slip in in my front pocket without a holster for a quick run to the market. The narrow grip on it makes it kind of painful on the web between thumb and trigger finger to shoot after a few mags, but I usually wear my padded shorty biker/weightlifter gloves and that solves that problem. It's been much less of a pain out of the box than either of my Kahrs were. It's ate everything I've fed it and I really couldn't be happier with it. Wish is was a little smaller, but it fits in my pocket ok. I like that it includes two bottoms for the magazine, one with pinky rest, the other without for a smaller profile. Only comes with one mag, that sucks. The trigger is not nearly as smooth as a Kahr, but I'm getting used to it, but I was able to keep everything in the scoring rings on the small sillouette on my first mag.