mag issues

[cjive134]

I have been trolling the search function and I have found some info to help me, but still have some questions.

I have a new CM9 that I have yet to fire. It has issues with its mag not dropping free, and with having to push the mag release with what seems like some what excessive force.

With the slide forward the mag will come out about 1/2" of the mag well. With the slide back the mag doesn't really come out at all.

I've heard referenced to the polishing of the follow, but haven't found out how to do it. Same thing with sanding(?) the mag body?

Any help?

[cjive134]

cool, sounds like all I need to do now is get the frame flexing with a little 9mm stress.

[AFDoc]

I had a similar issue with the mag not dropping out. After sending it back for a new mag, the new one didn't drop free either....until i shot a few rounds (6 to be exact) and it has dropped free ever since. Give it a chance and if it still doesn't drop, and you think it should (I do) then call Kahr and they may exchange it like they did for me last year.

[MO_Soldier]

I have been trolling the search function and I have found some info to help me, but still have some questions.

I have a new CM9 that I have yet to fire. It has issues with its mag not dropping free, and with having to push the mag release with what seems like some what excessive force.

With the slide forward the mag will come out about 1/2" of the mag well. With the slide back the mag doesn't really come out at all.

I've heard referenced to the polishing of the follow, but haven't found out how to do it. Same thing with sanding(?) the mag body?

Any help?

It is my knowledge that Kahr designed the mags to NOT drop free. They are specifically designed to drop about a quarter inch or so from the base of your grip. It sounds like you have a perfectly operating pistol to me.

[jocko]

naw, not sure kahr designed them not to fall freely. My PM9 has never in 5 years ever dropped any of the magazines. I personally don't care if it does either, but some do, and u have two choices to make if you have mags that don't fall freely.

#1 send the magazine back and cross ur fingers that the replacement will be OK.

#2 fix the damn thing yourself, by merely squeezing that top 1" of the magazine ever so slightly . --retest_ stop when it falls freely. This is a simple fix that most all who want that cando and have done. We are only talking about a few thousands of an inch of compression needed to get this magazine to drop freely.Just make sure the follower is able to move freely up and down and your good to go with any compression stuff.

I cannot remember if there is a photo tutorial over on the kahr tech section but if there is, it would be under GB 6491 thread. called cw45 fixes..

WORK with the magazines ONLY, do not mess with the inside of the polymer grip to get this clearance.. If u screw up a magazine ur out a magazine tube only, if u screw up the lower polymer grip UR FOKKED..

[pur4]

I called kahr before to complain about the magazine doesn't drop free they told me the gun was designed that way. Kahr will try their best to avoid their firearm flaws. For example their manual said to release the slide by the slide release only and not meant for racking the slide by hand. Buying a kahr is like gambling you may get wonderful pistol or you could get nightmares. I have nothing against kahr just that kahr should've fix their flaws before we buy them instead of making us fix the problems they made. Alot of people on this forum have sent their firearm to kahr and it came out perfect but who would want to wait a month to get their firearm fixed? I owned a CM9 love it and able to rack the slide after i sanded the magazine follower. My CM9 magazine doesn't drop too. Also i believe alot of micro compact pistol are having the non drop free mag too that include the new beretta nano.

[MLESa7990]

For example their manual said to release the slide by the slide release only and not meant for racking the slide by hand.

Whats your point? The pistol is designed to be loaded this way.


I think they say this because most people simply cannot hand rack a pistol this small with such a steep feed ramp properly...aka they ride the slide forward. I have no issues whatsoever using the slide stop or hand racking a round into the chamber. No modifications ever done to my PM9.

[Tnhillbilly]

I have about 90 rounds thru my CM9 and the mag still wont drop free, but it does seem to get easier and easier to remove.

[pur4]

Well I feel a pistol should be able to release the slide by the slide release and by hand too. only able to release by the slide release is so limited in a defensive situation. I'm not trying to argue what is best but the more option the better. If kahr designed the pistol that way then why there are some people complained about it and kahr fixed the problem and didn't just say it was designed that way? My point was kahr know it was a problem but they didn't want to fix it by saying the design was meant to be release by the slide release. That is just my theory. So for the drop free mag they want to avoid the fix by saying the design was meant to be like that.

[bonjorno2]

try polishing the mags... it went a long way for me!

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=8382

[MO_Soldier]

Well I feel a pistol should be able to release the slide by the slide release and by hand too. only able to release by the slide release is so limited in a defensive situation. I'm not trying to argue what is best but the more option the better. If kahr designed the pistol that way then why there are some people complained about it and kahr fixed the problem and didn't just say it was designed that way? My point was kahr know it was a problem but they didn't want to fix it by saying the design was meant to be release by the slide release. That is just my theory. So for the drop free mag they want to avoid the fix by saying the design was meant to be like that.

Well Mr. Moon disagrees. Not to be argumentative, but I do too. It takes one hand to rechamber a round via the slide release, vs 2 hands via slingshotting. In a defensive reload situation, the last thing i'll do is slingshot.

In addition, I have been able to slingshot my PM9 since day 1, and the mag release does in fact drop free.

[MLESa7990]

Well I feel a pistol should be able to release the slide by the slide release and by hand too. only able to release by the slide release is so limited in a defensive situation. I'm not trying to argue what is best but the more option the better. If kahr designed the pistol that way then why there are some people complained about it and kahr fixed the problem and didn't just say it was designed that way? My point was kahr know it was a problem but they didn't want to fix it by saying the design was meant to be release by the slide release. That is just my theory. So for the drop free mag they want to avoid the fix by saying the design was meant to be like that.

Well I'll disagree with this and say I bet Kahr got sick of people who can't properly hand rack a small pistol calling up and complaining so they decided to note that using the slide stop is the only real reliable way to load their very small, very tight pistols...but then again, that's just my theory.

[pur4]

but in a defensive situation you won't always have time to feel/look for the slide release. also there is a percentage of slipping. i by the way wasn't thinking about 2 finger slingshot as with 2 fingers there is percentage of slipping too. I rack the slide with my palm and fingers gripping the slide. there is a debate between slide release or rack it's personal preference. my point was the more option the better. I'm not saying everyone can't rack their kahr by hands but ther is a large percentage that can't. that why there is a thread to show how to "slingshot the first round" thread/post.

[pur4]

I agree with you MLeSa7990 there is percentage that can't rack properly. But when i first bought the kahr i saw the mag catch is touching the mag follower causing a nose drive. I would say not all the people that had problem racking the slide didn't know how to rack properly but the design have a flaw which i had to sand to fix the problem.

[JFootin]

Pur4, I think you'll find that, historically, small self defense automatics have been designed so that the mags do not drop free. This is stil true for a lot of them. The pistols are single stack, low capacity, and used to universally be sold with one magazine. The idea of carrying one or more spare mags for civilian last ditch self defense is a fairly modern fad - the mall ninja thing. And a lot of the older guns had those mag release levers on the bottom of the frame. Very awkward for fast mag changes. The original idea on these small SD guns is to load the mag at home, not carry a spare mag and try to avoid ever having to use your gun.

These pistols are not designed for police or military use, where high capacity, drop free mags, and lightning fast mag changes are necessary parts of the design that could save your life on a battle field.