Proper sight picture on CM9

[smike308]

New member here. Thought I would add my two cents worth to the discussion. I will back up what a couple of other posters have suggested, that the bar-dot, three dot and similar sight configurations are intended for a "flash" sight picture, as in a self defense scenario. Their purpose is simply to draw your sight/vision to the sights for a crude, but fast, sight alignment. For other uses, use the sights as if there were no bars, dots, etc. Like I said, my two cents worth. YMMV

[Bill K]

New member here. Thought I would add my two cents worth to the discussion. I will back up what a couple of other posters have suggested, that the bar-dot, three dot and similar sight configurations are intended for a "flash" sight picture, as in a self defense scenario. Their purpose is simply to draw your sight/vision to the sights for a crude, but fast, sight alignment. For other uses, use the sights as if there were no bars, dots, etc. Like I said, my two cents worth. YMMV

Welcome to KahrTalk!

Reading your response suggests to me that you're knowledgeable about CQC/SD shooting, not just square range shooting. Would that be correct?

[smike308]

Bill K.-- Thanks for the warm welcome! I'm a retired LEO and was our departments firearms instructor for several years. I have been fortunate to train under a couple of the masters of the art over the years.

[JFootin]

Bill K.-- Thanks for the warm welcome! I'm a retired LEO and was our departments firearms instructor for several years. I have been fortunate to train under a couple of the masters of the art over the years.

Welcome to the forum! I'm sure your knowledge and experience will be much appreciated around here.

[John Law]

smike308,
Welcome to the forum, I am sure all your years of training and experience will be very helpful. JL

[TheTman]

On that first shot, you're not leaving a lot of oil in the barrel after cleaning it are you? That will make the first stray off some. Make sure you run a patch or 2 up the barrel after oiling it.

Old Lincoln, I'm using Internet Explorer, and when I right click on Markis's picture, I can do a "save as" and then save it to my computer. Should work for you too

[markrb]

Thanks for all the tips. I will be sure to use them on my next range visit.

As for the potential for oil I always run a patch or two through after placing any oil. There is always the odd chance that some was left behind, but I am pretty thorough on my cleaning towards the point of anal.

[TriggerMan]

FYI - The greatest military in the world is trained as Markis illustrated. That should speak for itself.

Actually, it doesn't speak to the real issue, which is, what does the manufacturer believe is correct or what do they assume you will be doing. The rub is there is no universal answer and manufacturers may change their mind at some point.

[John222]

Stacking the front dot on the rear square doesn't always shoot to point of aim for me. It is usually low. You are on the right track to raise the front dot off the rear white square to raise the point of aim. Trial and error should bring you on target in under 50 shots. I figure the center of the front sight white dot should be "point of impact" on the target. I never use the top of the front dot as my impact point. In plainer words, cover the center of the bull with the white dot.

That's exactly what I'm experiencing. If I line up the sight as pictured, I'm very low. Greater than several inches over 15 yrs. I have to raise the center white dot up high. If you put a level across the rear sight it would go thru the center of the white dot. And the white dot would be positioned dead on the bulls eye.

[muggsy]

As am I, currently. I fully aware of the sights that the Beretta has as well. the silhouette of the sight picture is identical, ignore the dots to figure out that alignment. THEN look at the dots and you'll see where exactly you should be "dotting" your "i". :-)

Thanks for serving btw.

I liked that answer.

[muggsy]

Anticipating recoil and increasing grip pressure just prior to let off can cause a shot to go low. It's generally more noticeable on the first shot than with subsequent shots.

[MO_Soldier]

I liked that answer.

Thanks Muggsy!

[jocko]

no doubt we all want to shoot our guns as accurate as we can. IMO kahrs are certainly geared for the defensive type of shooting, not range target type shooting. The looooonbg kahr trigger kinda IMO kills the "target aspect" of the gun. that being said, IMO one should shoot/train the way he feels comforatalbe at doing. POA shooting IMo is for kahrs a very good way to train for defensive skills. This is a close up gun, not IMO a 15-25 yards gun. Get good at 7 yards and under, get fast at 7 yards and under and IMO this can be achived alot easier and alot faster by POA shooting, seeing that front sight clearly and all the rest will fall into place without even thinking about it. Ur not gonna be looking for that back and front sight line up stuff in a defensive situation. U can get very accurate with POA shooting, screw those bulleyes, buy silhouette targets. I don't shoot good groups at all with my PM9 but at 7 yards and under I have no issue keeping every round in the FBI "Q": target silhouette. Its a big target but it is body size, keep um all in there and ur gonna do good in a critical situation...

[JFootin]

That's wise advice, Jocko.

[druryj]

Forget about the dots. Just line up the top edge of the front sight with the top edge of the rear sight to make what looks like a flat line across the top. Imagine you could lay a carpenters level across the top.

Well said. I long ago just blacked out the white bar and dot on my Kahr's front and rear sights. I get proper sight alignment and sight picture, then focus on the front sight. I found I was better off ridding myself of what I thought was more of an annoying distraction, (we don't need no steenkin' white dot...) for me anyway.