Off Leash Dogs

[Tinman507]

[MW surveyor]

****SIGH!**** Knew that you would have a comeback!

[Tinman507]

Sorry. I suffer from terminal smart-a$$.
It gets me in trouble and has for decades.

[MW surveyor]

No problem.
Just like the majority on here. It's a wonder how some of use made it this far.

[Tinman507]

Fortunately I've learned when to keep my mouth shut or I'd still be in first grade and sitting on the convent steps after school.

[jlottmc]

Part of the Taser training at our dept involves getting tased so you know what your dishing out and what you'll get if the BG gets your taser. Not allowed to carry one till you been tased. It provides a good foundation if you have to shoot someone because they have a taser.

We do the same thing with Pepper Spray. Either will incapacitate you so that your life is in real danger.

I did the pepper spray thing (sucked really bad). Haven't done the taser, I hate electricity and I wouldn't be allowed to carry one anyway.

Yes they do suck something awful. Funny thing about the pepper spray, is how department will qualify people with it, some don't expose you any more, some squirt a little on a q-tip and dab under the eyes with it, then there's what we did. Saber Red is actually very orange. Our faces looked like a can of Kraylon exploded on them. I have pictures, but won't post them. I had forgotten how much that sucks, I do remember the taser though. Shame the military training doesn't transfer and vice versa. Guess that means I get another ride.

[knkali]

Yes they do suck something awful. Funny thing about the pepper spray, is how department will qualify people with it, some don't expose you any more, some squirt a little on a q-tip and dab under the eyes with it, then there's what we did. Saber Red is actually very orange. Our faces looked like a can of Kraylon exploded on them. I have pictures, but won't post them. I had forgotten how much that sucks, I do remember the taser though. Shame the military training doesn't transfer and vice versa. Guess that means I get another ride.

I never understood the mentality of having to be tased or sprayed to see what it is like. If you carry a .40 should you be shot too? I know that the last comment was a smart *** one but you get what I mean.

[jlottmc]

The difference comes with the .40 being expected to cause death or serious bodily injury, and the other two are not expected to do so. Part of the reasoning also is that the trainers are showing that you can continue to fight, and function, albeit at a reduced capability. Let me ask this, if a suspect is talking to a police officer and the suspect has a can of OC spray, is the officer justified in using deadly force (shooting) against the suspect? It has to do with levels of force and since OC is actually lower on the scale than punches and joint locks why wouldn't an agency expose their officers to the effects? Remember that everyone in that area will get some burny skin eyes etc. regardless of how well OC is applied?

[Bawanna]

I never understood the mentality of having to be tased or sprayed to see what it is like. If you carry a .40 should you be shot too? I know that the last comment was a smart *** one but you get what I mean.

It's mostly to prove to each officer exactly how incapacitated they will be if they are pepper sprayed or tazed. Kind of sends a message that if your facing a bad guy with a tazer or pepper spray shoot him or he will take your gun and shoot you.

I have a video someplace of one day or our pepper spray class.

We all got it direct to the eyes from about 2 ft away. It weren't no q tip under the eyes, this stuff was blasted into our face full on. I goofed before my turn and was down wind and got almost as much effect as the spray. Then you had to do a series of stuff, fight with the red man, shoot a simunition target, find some keys on the hood, unlock the door of a patrol car, get in and use the radio.
They let my oldest son do it too, he did better than anyone, his only issue was he'd never unlocked a car door before.

[knkali]

OK now I got it. I made a statement and was educated why my attitiude was incorrect. Thanks for the edification. And thank you for not roasting me in the process.

To answer the question if a BGT has pep spray should the cop shoot him? Amswer: In my world if the LEO commands the BG to drop it and he does not--yes the LEO can use lethal force. I also feel that a LEO can use lethal force if you take a swing at them too. Funny when I was growing up, you always followed instruction a LEO gave and you never had the right to touch them much less swing at them or spray them with pep spray. If you have a problem with a LEO, do what you are told to do then tell it to the judge. It used to be, according to vet cops I interact with, when a LEO rolled up on a scene everyone froze. Now everyone runs for their weapons.

[TheTman]

If you did carry a shotshell revolver and fired it into the ground to scare the dog away, would you get arrested like that feller in New Hampshire or wherever it was?

[Scoundrel]

If you did carry a shotshell revolver and fired it into the ground to scare the dog away, would you get arrested like that feller in New Hampshire or wherever it was?

Probably. The dog owner would probably be the one to call it in as well. Frighten their charging dog instead of killing it, and they would respond by putting your ass in jail.

[Tinman507]

[Bawanna]

OK now I got it. I made a statement and was educated why my attitiude was incorrect. Thanks for the edification. And thank you for not roasting me in the process.

To answer the question if a BGT has pep spray should the cop shoot him? Amswer: In my world if the LEO commands the BG to drop it and he does not--yes the LEO can use lethal force. I also feel that a LEO can use lethal force if you take a swing at them too. Funny when I was growing up, you always followed instruction a LEO gave and you never had the right to touch them much less swing at them or spray them with pep spray. If you have a problem with a LEO, do what you are told to do then tell it to the judge. It used to be, according to vet cops I interact with, when a LEO rolled up on a scene everyone froze. Now everyone runs for their weapons.

We got a bingo right here. We've created a generation with little to no respect for a badge or a uniform. Cop so much as looks at somebody and they scream your violating their civil rights. Everythings a test.
I get sick to my stomach with the Open Carriers saying they need to educate the cops.
It will only get worse.

Law Enforcement- one of the few jobs where you can do everything right and still get fired and your career ended on the whims of others. Make no mistake, there are some cops who really shouldn't be but by and large they walk around with a huge target on their back and put up with a truck load of crap every single day that just would not have flown even 15 years ago.

[wyntrout]

Shot shells are not good for self defense. They are ineffectual at any kind of range except very close and if you're firing a semi-auto, it will usually not eject and may jam your gun. Discharging your firearm is illegal most often unless your using it to stop a life or death attack, which, obviously you weren't doing because you shot your gun at the f'ing GROUND, possibly jamming it and preventing it from really being of use!

There are a lot of tests and discussion of shot shells online and YouTube, of the "potency", or lack thereof. These "shot shells" are not to be confused with shotgun shells, as those used in "Judges", etc. Those are much more powerful, though range can be diminished by the rifling as it spins and spreads the shot or projectiles.

NOT JMHO, but that of people who know stuff, too.

"Shot shells" are for shooting snakes and other "varmints"... SMALL ones... out to about 7 feet!

Wynn