Death of Common Sense

[Scoundrel]

Yeah I tried to point it out how extraordinary hot the hot coffee was. But the bottom line is, now the courts are saying to us how hot coffee should be if you dont want to get sued. Everone lost on this. The customer, and the public. The public pays in the end for the settlement and now coffee will be generically even in temp no matter where you go to buy it. Some people are sippers and like that coffee to stay more than warm for a long time. So they want their mud hot! They buy their coffee someplace they might not like the coffee as much but it is warmer/hotter. Now they dont have that option. More intrusion for something that having the mind set coffee is frigg'n hot I better be careful or I can really hurt myself and therefore I will treat this as if I were handling a weapon. We get that easily--others may not.

That's a very good point, and I think it's perfectly fine for all of us to lament any increased regulation, governmental control, litigation precedent, public cost, etc. that we all have to endure because of it.

Please don't interpret my previous message as being in favor of the lawsuit. I'm just not scoffing anymore, because the whole thing sucks.

[knkali]

That's a very good point, and I think it's perfectly fine for all of us to lament any increased regulation, governmental control, litigation precedent, public cost, etc. that we all have to endure because of it.

Please don't interpret my previous message as being in favor of the lawsuit. I'm just not scoffing anymore, because the whole thing sucks.

No attack on you for either position re the suit. Yep everyone lost on that.

[tv_racin_fan]

Knkali I full well understand where you are coming from sir.

I went to McD for the coffee for exactly that reason. It would be HOT when I got to the job site not tepid. BUT I knew better than to even try to mess with it until it had sat and cooled for some time. Course I learned that by burning my mouth a time or three. AND I generally prefered the breakfast food at Hardees or somewhere else BUT their coffee would not be hot unless the ride from drive thru to job site was short.

That would be where that common sense comes in.

BUT see here is the issue.

What if according to YOUR common sense coffee aint boilin hot but just generally real hot? What if you have never had coffee from McD? Now you do not know to avoid that coffee until it has had some time to cool. NOW if you try to drink some you burn yourself, even the tinyest sip did it for me. Now if you happen to spill it on yourself you get serious burns not just red skin burns. Kinda like that pot of boiling water.

This breakfast food thing reminded me.

I had this job once where I could not get to work on time everyday due to only having one automobile and the wife workin nights and not being able to leave until her relief showed, being a nurse she would be in REAL trouble leaving early. Well I generally stopped at a place local to my house and got biscuits for the crew on days I was late enough to show up near break time. Those guys and the boss both told me they hated to see my car on time or very much before break time cause I almost always brought the best biscuits in town.

[Popeye]

Yes, common sense is deeply missed.

[knkali]

Knkali I full well understand where you are coming from sir.

I went to McD for the coffee for exactly that reason. It would be HOT when I got to the job site not tepid. BUT I knew better than to even try to mess with it until it had sat and cooled for some time. Course I learned that by burning my mouth a time or three. AND I generally prefered the breakfast food at Hardees or somewhere else BUT their coffee would not be hot unless the ride from drive thru to job site was short.

That would be where that common sense comes in.

BUT see here is the issue.

What if according to YOUR common sense coffee aint boilin hot but just generally real hot? What if you have never had coffee from McD? Now you do not know to avoid that coffee until it has had some time to cool. NOW if you try to drink some you burn yourself, even the tinyest sip did it for me. Now if you happen to spill it on yourself you get serious burns not just red skin burns. Kinda like that pot of boiling water.

This breakfast food thing reminded me.

I had this job once where I could not get to work on time everyday due to only having one automobile and the wife workin nights and not being able to leave until her relief showed, being a nurse she would be in REAL trouble leaving early. Well I generally stopped at a place local to my house and got biscuits for the crew on days I was late enough to show up near break time. Those guys and the boss both told me they hated to see my car on time or very much before break time cause I almost always brought the best biscuits in town.

The world is full of unknowns and if I do not know how hot the coffee is, I better be careful. If I do not know that the gun is unloaded, I better be careful. I dont know how sharp the knife is so I better be careful. I cannot nor do I want to live in a world where everything is predigested and all the sharp edges are smoothed out for me. I like to use my brain. If the cup is hot, I know that the contents are hotter. If I go to a place and I cannot sip the coffee for 30 minutes because it is too hot, and I found this to be true on a few occasions, that is where I go if I want supper hot coffee. If not, I will go somewhere else. The courts cannot protect me form everything or myself all of the time. I have to engage too. This engagement is called being alive.

[Ken_K]

I work for a school district and have seen first hand the death of common sense. The other day a kid who was riding a bus stood up and started hitting a window multiple times with his fist until it broke. Now, common sense would tell you that the parents should stand up and be responsible for paying for the broken window. First thing they said is that it wasn't their kid, wasn't their fault, blah blah blah. Even after seeing their kid on video breaking the window they didn't want to pay. It took threatening to suspend their kid from riding the bus for a month before they coughed up the $75. No one wants to take responsibility for anything these days. It's sad really.

[knkali]

I work for a school district and have seen first hand the death of common sense. The other day a kid who was riding a bus stood up and started hitting a window multiple times with his fist until it broke. Now, common sense would tell you that the parents should stand up and be responsible for paying for the broken window. First thing they said is that it wasn't their kid, wasn't their fault, blah blah blah. Even after seeing their kid on video breaking the window they didn't want to pay. It took threatening to suspend their kid from riding the bus for a month before they coughed up the $75. No one wants to take responsibility for anything these days. It's sad really.

wow

[LaP]

I work for a school district and have seen first hand the death of common sense. The other day a kid who was riding a bus stood up and started hitting a window multiple times with his fist until it broke. Now, common sense would tell you that the parents should stand up and be responsible for paying for the broken window. First thing they said is that it wasn't their kid, wasn't their fault, blah blah blah. Even after seeing their kid on video breaking the window they didn't want to pay. It took threatening to suspend their kid from riding the bus for a month before they coughed up the $75. No one wants to take responsibility for anything these days. It's sad really.

Little Johnny's getting a real good upbringing. He's learning to deny, deny, deny and then just shrug & walk away. He'll probably become a politician.

[tv_racin_fan]

The world is full of unknowns and if I do not know how hot the coffee is, I better be careful. If I do not know that the gun is unloaded, I better be careful. I dont know how sharp the knife is so I better be careful. I cannot nor do I want to live in a world where everything is predigested and all the sharp edges are smoothed out for me. I like to use my brain. If the cup is hot, I know that the contents are hotter. If I go to a place and I cannot sip the coffee for 30 minutes because it is too hot, and I found this to be true on a few occasions, that is where I go if I want supper hot coffee. If not, I will go somewhere else. The courts cannot protect me form everything or myself all of the time. I have to engage too. This engagement is called being alive.

Again I point out THEY KNEW THE COFFEE was THAT HOT. They had paid for it time and time and time again. Why they decided not to pay this time is beyond me. WHY they elected to pay all those other times instead of making the coffee just a bit less hot is beyond me. BUT they did not warn anyone that their coffee was THAT HOT. No they used the same warning as anyone else who made coffee not THAT HOT.

I totally agree with you on every point. EXCEPT where they paid time after time after time admitting their part in the burns and decided not to in this case. THERE I draw the line. Seems awful stupid of them in my opinion not to settle for the amount she wanted, but to settle for 10 times more AFTER spending all that they spent on the court case.

[knkali]

Again I point out THEY KNEW THE COFFEE was THAT HOT. They had paid for it time and time and time again. Why they decided not to pay this time is beyond me. WHY they elected to pay all those other times instead of making the coffee just a bit less hot is beyond me. BUT they did not warn anyone that their coffee was THAT HOT. No they used the same warning as anyone else who made coffee not THAT HOT.

I totally agree with you on every point. EXCEPT where they paid time after time after time admitting their part in the burns and decided not to in this case. THERE I draw the line. Seems awful stupid of them in my opinion not to settle for the amount she wanted, but to settle for 10 times more AFTER spending all that they spent on the court case.

I roger that. Poor legal moves on their part. I can only speculate that McD realized that this is BS and tried to stop the bleeding buy refusing to roll over on this one. OK so they reduce the temp a bit. How much is a bit? Does the state supreme court decide? Even if you reduce it, some will still have problems until it becomes a frapachino(sp). It was a slippery slope that McD went down and when they tried to get off, they could not. While ranting, I think McD takes a lot of abuse in this country. Since they are the biggest and the first to be the gold standard in fast food, they are always under fire for how bad their stuff is for you and being sued for things like causing obesity, to diabetes, to causing emotional problems. C'mon, when is that record going to stop playing and the courts stop hearing this dribble. If you dont know fast food is less healthy than other options by now, then you have been living on mars. It is your dollar and your decision. No one has put a gun to anyone's head and forced them to buy their coffee or their food. McD feeds a lot of people rather cheaply. They never claimed to be healthy or make any other health claim about their food other than it is delicious and filling/satisfying. McD has changed their menus and does have many more healthy options so they have realized that there is a market share they are not serving. Laisez Faire business. If sales go down the business adapts or dies. The courts do not need to be as involved. If coffee sales go down, they figure out through sampling and questionnaires it is too damn hot. They cool it down. If they dont, they suffer. Big $ settlements are just passed on to the consumer not just from that business being sued but from the industry as a whole. When we interrupt the natural order of business by making business gesticulate to court rulings, we are all in for a rough go. It brings more litigation, more regulation, more hoops, more expense and thwarts competition. We all lose.

[jocko]

i thinki we pick up the no responsibility thing from seeing our damn politicians every day on TV blaming the other person. Monkey see Monkey do...Just sayin. Why would a damnkid want to bang on a bus windownuntil it broke, ??/ Makes zero sense but he learned nothing from it and probalby will do something stupid like that again for his parents basically stood up for the little bastard..

[LaP]

]Why would a damnkid want to bang on a bus windownuntil it broke,[/B] ??/ Makes zero sense but he learned nothing from it and probalby will do something stupid like that again for his parents basically stood up for the little bastard..

Lack of Ridalin? He probably wasn't breast fed and his father never bought him that Red Ryder BB gun. It certainly ain't his fault... that window just needed breaking.

[Bawanna]

That boy needs to wash every window on every school bus inside and out everyday for a year. He'll most likely think twice before busting windows again.

[Ken_K]

Lack of Ridalin? He probably wasn't breast fed and his father never bought him that Red Ryder BB gun. It certainly ain't his fault... that window just needed breaking.

Lmao!

[slowgoat]

cool