Jesus Guns

[fitzgood]

Trijicon is going to regret this one...

No More Jesus Rifles - ABC News

[ripley16]

Trijicon is going to regret this one...

No More Jesus Rifles - ABC News

Why? Makes me want one. People that stand on what they believe are good people in my book. They've hurt no one.

[fitzgood]

Why? Makes me want one. People that stand on what they believe are good people in my book. They've hurt no one.

I would agree if they were upfront about it being there but they were not and what they did has hurt their clients. Thats not standing on what you believe thats just being sneaky. Would you feel the same way if they had been a Muslim owned company and put hidden Koran messages on your scope? Besides if Trijicon really wanted to take a stand for what they believe why don't they tell the US and the other military customers that are pissed off about this to get buy scopes from someone else if they don't like the Bible reference? That would be standing for what they believe. Not sneaking something in that any moron would know would not make your client happy and then removing it to save your a$$ once your caught. Just my 2 cents anyway.

[TheSorb]

I would agree if they were upfront about it being there but they were not and what they did has hurt their clients. Thats not standing on what you believe thats just being sneaky. Would you feel the same way if they had been a Muslim owned company and put hidden Koran messages on your scope? Besides if Trijicon really wanted to take a stand for what they believe why don't they tell the US and the other military customers that are pissed off about this to get buy scopes from someone else if they don't like the Bible reference? That would be standing for what they believe. Not sneaking something in that any moron would know would not make your client happy and then removing it to save your a$$ once your caught. Just my 2 cents anyway.

If you watched the entire report, you know that Trijicon's owner died in 2003. I doubt that he would make any concessions if he was still around. It's Trijicon's current board/leadership that is backtracking.

And there's nothing sneaky about the company's practice, as it's well-known that the Scripture references are there. Obviously the military bureaucrats who awarded contracts to Trijicon didn't care or didn't bother to do a little research. It's pretty typical for those idiots to cry foul now just to cover their own behinds...as much as the liberals/socialists want to deny it - THE U.S. WAS FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES!!! AND OUR SUCCESS AS LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD IS A DIRECT RESULT OF OUR CHRISTIAN HERITAGE!!!

[ltxi]

Gotta agree with fitzgood on this one. Sneaking it in was really poor form. Certainly from a business perspective it was not very wise.

[ripley16]

Would you feel the same way if they had been a Muslim owned company and put hidden Koran messages on your scope?

Yes I would, in fact that would have been even more appropriate, in an ironic way, considering the war in which we are currently engaged.

[Ol'coot]

Trijicon is a Michigan based company and from what I have read other places that states that they have been adding the text since the beginning as the original owner and founder started the company as he was very religious, I also read that the company has agreed to remove the text from any new production and will provide te DOD with 100 kits that will allow the text to be easily removed from existing product for free. I think the whole issue has been blown way out of proportion.

Trijicon news

Here is a quote from Trijicon concerning this

Statement from Trijicon, Inc.
Wednesday, January 20, 2010—For two generations Trijicon, a Michigan-based family owned business, has been working to provide America’s military men and women with high quality, innovative sighting systems for the weapons they use. Our effort is simple and straightforward: to help our servicemen and women win the war on terror and come home safe to their families. As part of our faith and our belief in service to our country, Trijicon has put scripture references on our products for more than two decades. As long as we have men and women in danger, we will continue to do everything we can to provide them with both state-of-the-art technology and the never-ending support and prayers of a grateful nation.

[Dozer]

I will have to agree with TheSorb on this one. I don't believe the references were added to sneek biblical teaching into the Muslim part of the world. They have been there for the last couple of decades, so there was no sneeking involved. When I purchase a product, I research it pretty well. If I were to spend a great deal of money on something, say $600+ million, I would be intimately familiar with all aspects of it prior to signing the contract. Trijicon makes a very good product that bears a personal message from the founder. If the references were added after the contract was signed, then the terms of the contract were illegally changed. I don't know the details, but I think everything was on the up and up.

[johnh]

They have had the verses on there for many, many years. Each one I have seen had something to do with bringing light to darkness. I thought they were pretty clever as it must have taken some effort to find ones that would associate with the illumination angle of Trijicon products. Anyone who owns Trijicon optics was probably aware of these markings. To me the only issue here is a liberal media going after a defense/firearms industry firm. I seriously doubt any claims that this offended anyone.

John

[4wheel1]

After seeing one of the article about how they are having to provide kits to remove these numbers, and seeing the above comments from Trijicon, I will pay more, even look harder to purchase one of their scopes the next time I need to purchase a scope. I feel this company has won my support.

[ltxi]

They have had the verses on there for many, many years. Each one I have seen had something to do with bringing light to darkness. I thought they were pretty clever as it must have taken some effort to find ones that would associate with the illumination angle of Trijicon products. Anyone who owns Trijicon optics was probably aware of these markings. To me the only issue here is a liberal media going after a defense/firearms industry firm. I seriously doubt any claims that this offended anyone.

John

Conservative as I am, I disagree with (most of) you folks. "Hidden" and personally motivated religious messages have no place on US made instruments of war...especially today. I commiserate with our front line troops who now have to explain and/or reconcile the Jesus weapons with their already antsy Muslim allies and/or friends.

As to "I seriously doubt any claims that this offended anyone."....well, John, it certainly has offended me, a 38 plus year retired military service vet.

fitzgood...I've definitely got your six on this one.

[jeep45238]

If it offends you, tough crap, no matter who you are.

As an American, you have freedom OF religion - not freedom FROM religion.

[TheSorb]

Conservative as I am, I disagree with (most of) you folks. "Hidden" and personally motivated religious messages have no place on US made products of war...especially today. I commiserate with our front line troops who now have to explain and/or reconcile the Jesus weapons with their already antsy Muslim allies and/or friends.

As to "I seriously doubt any claims that this offended anyone."....well, John, it certainly has offended me, a 38 plus year military service vet.

ripley16...I've definitely got your six on this one.

Why is it perfectly fine for muslims to openly flaunt their beliefs & practices with absolutely no consideration of those who will be offended, but when a Christian even makes mention of his/her beliefs, he/she is publicly castigated and rebuked mercilessly?

[fitzgood]

Conservative as I am, I disagree with (most of) you folks. "Hidden" and personally motivated religious messages have no place on US made instruments of war...especially today. I commiserate with our front line troops who now have to explain and/or reconcile the Jesus weapons with their already antsy Muslim allies and/or friends.

As to "I seriously doubt any claims that this offended anyone."....well, John, it certainly has offended me, a 38 plus year retired military service vet.

fitzgood...I've definitely got your six on this one.

I understand the feelings of many who have posted. I agree that Christians should be able to say "Merry Christmas" and I certainly agree that there is widespread reverse discrimination against Christianity. This just isn't like that IMO.

A government contracted product is not the place for a government contractor to exercise free speech or freedom of religion. When you sign a contract to make scopes for the government you should produce scopes that meet the specifications. No more, no less. Just imagine if you found that the desktop at your kids school had "Allah is God" or "Wicca is Truth" or any other non Christian symbolism imprinted on it by a government contractor. Would you still defend the contractor's right to express their faith on their product? I know as a parent, and a tax payer I would be pissed, but if I supported Trijicon on this matter, I feel that I would have little room to complain.

[ripley16]

A government contracted product is not the place for a government contractor to exercise free speech or freedom of religion.

Maybe you should reconsider that statement. Do you not see the crushing irony there?

Just imagine if you found that the desktop at your kids school had "Allah is God"

That isn't what Trijicon did. Would 2:191 bother you, or 2:216? Compare apples to apples here.