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  • #16
    True. Sad and true.

    All due to diversity. We're splintered. Everybody is in some subgroup, trying to maintain their own identity. Politicians cater to groups, they want group votes. They legislate to groups, according to groups.

    Will it ever be a hate crime to beat up a white guy - we're soon to be a minority!

    It used to be, and rightfully so, that people strove to be part of the "melting pot", be part of the American ideal. Some time in the early 70s, they started poo-pooing the melting pot idea in schools, and teaching "the American mosaic" instead. But I digress....

    I gotta add.... I'm old enough to remember relatives, and friends and shirt tail relatives, who used to say "I'm in American, now I'll act as an American". They were all Italian. My neighbor - who bought my grandmother's house right next door to our own - he was from Central America, Costa Rica I think - then he moved to Puerto Rico, then to LI,NY. He did well - Mercedes and Volvo service manager. I remember him wanting to "fit in" more than anything. He wanted to be an American to the point of his own tears. This I recall from the days of my youth: The grown man next door weeping in joy at becoming a citizen, over his children's unlimited opportunity in America, always first to raise the flag on holidays, always loudest singing the anthem.

    Whew... no more brother... no more.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Bawanna View Post
      I don't have a time out button YET. If the discussion stays civil and in an adult manner I don't close it.
      I try to put my personal feelings aside when I take the safety off the close thread button. I consider this my happy place and don't care much for ugly. Usually I'll receive numerous thank you PM's for the closures or I'll get numerous PM's saying what's the hold up, close this thing. So while I take full responsibility for my actions, often times I'm not the only one with the closure idea.
      If there's some solid reason to keep a thread I've closed open it maybe should have been posted before it was closed. Also that button does have a reverse on it so a closed thread can be reopened. I don't recall any in recent times that deserved to be reopened but maybe so.
      It's funny. You closed the "When is WHEN enough?" thread and I didn't see why. No biggie. Maybe it wasn't going anywhere good. I just thought it needed posting. Wasn't going to argue with anybody about it. That's why I just said "Keep waiting."
      Very interesting...

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      • #18
        We have been posed the question: "What's the best way to persuade others to your views?"

        Right away, that puts a win-lose, "me vs. you" perspective on things.

        When considering beliefs that cannot be proven or dis-proven, such as politics or religion, being "right" can never be more than a matter of one's own opinion. It is never possible to have a discussion with someone whose mind is already made up - only a battle.

        I think if everyone spent more time seeking to improve their own understanding (this is not the same as seeking to confirm what one already believes) and tolerating those who are different, we would all be better off.

        I have wondered why there seems to be so much "shouting" in the world today. My theory is that it is exacerbated by the explosion of impersonal electronic communication, which makes it easy to say outrageous things from the comfort of anonymity - things that would never have been said face-to-face.
        "Measure twice, cut once. Think twice, speak once."

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        • #19
          I got it... lets just rework the Blondie line from Sergio Leone's films....

          "There are two kinds of people in this world my friend, those who vote conservative, and those with loaded guns. You vote."

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          • #20
            Originally posted by muggsy View Post
            When you are the moderator you can do no wrong. I have no objection to a thread being closed if it gets out of hand. I'm a little less sensitive to spirited debate than others, but I can appreciate their positions. In any regard, no hard feelings toward anyone.
            I don't know that I totally agree with that statement about moderators doing no wrong. I'm sure there are good ones and bad ones for sure and since I'm still pretty much just a trainee I might not recognize the difference.
            I have to answer to my leaders and I assume they have to answer to somebody so nothings really free.

            Do feel free to utilize PM if anyone thinks I'm getting trigger happy closing threads. I haven't been chewed out for it, well maybe a couple times, well actually maybe like 6 or 7 times but hardly worth mentioning.

            I do feel slightly bad sometimes closing threads but I just can't handle ugly. Course sometimes I feel really really good closing threads too.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by QuercusMax View Post
              We have been posed the question: "What's the best way to persuade others to your views?"

              Right away, that puts a win-lose, "me vs. you" perspective on things.

              When considering beliefs that cannot be proven or dis-proven, such as politics or religion, being "right" can never be more than a matter of one's own opinion. It is never possible to have a discussion with someone whose mind is already made up - only a battle.

              I think if everyone spent more time seeking to improve their own understanding (this is not the same as seeking to confirm what one already believes) and tolerating those who are different, we would all be better off.

              I have wondered why there seems to be so much "shouting" in the world today. My theory is that it is exacerbated by the explosion of impersonal electronic communication, which makes it easy to say outrageous things from the comfort of anonymity - things that would never have been said face-to-face.
              Well said. Tolerance has a lot going for it.

              Ken

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bawanna View Post
                I don't know that I totally agree with that statement about moderators doing no wrong. I'm sure there are good ones and bad ones for sure and since I'm still pretty much just a trainee I might not recognize the difference.
                I have to answer to my leaders and I assume they have to answer to somebody so nothings really free.

                Do feel free to utilize PM if anyone thinks I'm getting trigger happy closing threads. I haven't been chewed out for it, well maybe a couple times, well actually maybe like 6 or 7 times but hardly worth mentioning.

                I do feel slightly bad sometimes closing threads but I just can't handle ugly. Course sometimes I feel really really good closing threads too.
                Ahhhhh, to be in a position of real power.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Bawanna View Post
                  I don't know that I totally agree with that statement about moderators doing no wrong. I'm sure there are good ones and bad ones for sure and since I'm still pretty much just a trainee I might not recognize the difference.
                  I have to answer to my leaders and I assume they have to answer to somebody so nothings really free.

                  Do feel free to utilize PM if anyone thinks I'm getting trigger happy closing threads. I haven't been chewed out for it, well maybe a couple times, well actually maybe like 6 or 7 times but hardly worth mentioning.

                  I do feel slightly bad sometimes closing threads but I just can't handle ugly. Course sometimes I feel really really good closing threads too.
                  Bawanna, I get a little ticked when it is my thread and I have been behaving, but a few of the same people who are responsible for a lot of strife and a lot of closed threads come in and start flinging accusations and insults. I frankly think the better solution is, after three strikes or something, to say goodbye to the troublemakers. Which, frankly, you seem wont to do.
                  Very interesting...

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                  • #24
                    All things political, in an election year, should be banned. Forums with politics...and religion..never stay civil. Some forums have a special folder with access coming only by personal request to the head Mod. Still, ugliness spills over into the general culture of the forum. We get too much political stuff in our General folder.

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                    • #25
                      Whenever I am in a heated argument and I can tell they are dug in on their point of view, spouting all kind of liberal gibberish I will pull the "You're a dumb-axx, patchouli smoking, Birkenstock wearing, long-haired hippy freak card" pretty quick.

                      Seems to work for me.
                      All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

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                      • #26
                        I've noticed how the voting in the POLL has gone so far and I'm surprised. There seems to be a disconnect between what people say they do, i.e., apply reason AND what they really do, i.e., name call in the posts I've read since the POLL opened. Minutes ago I read two posts in other threads where the poster opined that only idiots vote for Obama. Dale Carnegie most have rolled over in his grave. For those unfamiliar with Carnegie's works, one of his famous books is titled "How to Win Friends and Influence People".

                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_...fluence_People

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by TriggerMan View Post
                          I've noticed how the voting in the POLL has gone so far and I'm surprised. There seems to be a disconnect between what people say they do, i.e., apply reason AND what they really do, i.e., name call in the posts I've read since the POLL opened. Minutes ago I read two posts in other threads where the poster opined that only idiots vote for Obama. Dale Carnegie most have rolled over in his grave. For those unfamiliar with Carnegie's works, one of his famous books is titled "How to Win Friends and Influence People".

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_...fluence_People
                          Frankly, your holier than thou attitude is unacceptable. IMO, you are one of the problem posters who gets disrepectfully in people's faces. I don't see you winning friends and influencing people around here. Always pointing your finger at people, not realizing that 3 fingers are pointing back at yourself.
                          Very interesting...

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by JFootin View Post
                            Frankly, your holier than thou attitude is unacceptable. IMO, you are one of the problem posters who gets disrepectfully in people's faces. I don't see you winning friends and influencing people around here. Always pointing your finger at people, not realizing that 3 fingers are pointing back at yourself.
                            I guess I'm today's Anti-Christ.

                            As always, you are entitled to your opinion. That's different and not the same as being entiled to creating you own facts. THAT is unacceptable!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by TriggerMan View Post
                              I guess I'm today's Anti-Christ.

                              As always, you are entitled to your opinion. That's different and not the same as being entiled to creating you own facts. THAT is unacceptable!
                              "when is when enough" ???

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by popgoestheweasel View Post
                                "when is when enough" ???
                                When I think of someone who is intellectually lazy, that .....nevermind.

                                Better things to do. Gonna check CNN and then Fox in turns to get election results. Starting April 1st, I'll go into silent mode until after the elections.

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