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    I went to Gander Mountain today with a friend to look at some 1911's. My friend kept looking at different guns and sweeping the muzzle across the clerks chest. I mentioned to him that it was pretty rude to point a gun at someone, even the clerk who just made sure the gun was unloaded, the only person that heard was my friend and the clerk, and I asked the clerk if he got tired of guns being pointed at him all the time? And he said sure, but it kind of comes with the job. Then my friend mentioned something to the clerk about buying the same gun on the internet and saving some money, and I whispered to him that's not very cool to come in and waste a clerks time then tell him you're going to buy the gun on the internet. Anyway when we got outside, my friend said he really wanted to kick my ass for embarrassing him in front of the salesman. He said the store was so crowded that he couldn't find a place to check out the sights without the barrel covering someone, and I suggested using the floor, the walls above everyone's head, or the ceiling or someplace other than at the clerk. He said well I've seen you do the same thing, and I said yes, sometimes I do cover a person with the muzzle while handing it to then after I've safety checked it, and I want him to say something when he catches me doing something like that, I never do it intenionally. I sure never mind being corrected. After all if he were to do that in a competition he'd could get a warning or be disqualified and he is wanting to get into competition, so I thought I was being helpful. I told him also to let me know if my finger slips into the trigger guard and call me out on that too (that's my big weakness). I had no problem keeping the guns pointed in a safe direction while checking out the sights and trigger pull and stuff. This guy is kind of new to buying guns in a shop, so I thought I was being helpful, but he said I came across as being kind of short and bossy, and I didn't mean to, just trying to offer some good advice. I always try and avoid sweeping the muzzle across the salesman or anyone else for that matter, no matter what condition the gun is in, slide open, closed, or with the cylinder open or closed. I might add this same fellow shot a hole through his wall last week after thinking he had unloaded it, he racked the slide THEN dropped the mag and pulled the trigger and boom.
    Do you all think I should I have just shut up and let him do his thing, or should I have spoken up like I did and mention that he was being rude, and acting like he's never handled a gun in a store before?
    I just figured with him being kind of a newbie to gun buying in stores (he buys most his guns 2nd hand), he would appreciate the advice, but I guess I really pissed him off.. We talked it over afterwards and made peace, but it still bothers me that I pissed off my friend that badly over common gun handling. Gun safety is very important to me, and I don't mind being corrected if I do something rude or dangerous, and I figured most people don't mind being corrected in what I thought was polite way. I was a bit tired so maybe I was short and bossy, but that was totally unintentional.
    The guy wanted me to come and give him my advice on which 1911 to buy, So I didn't figure he'd care if I made a couple suggestions on his gun etiquette. I know people point guns at salesmen all the time, but I try and not do that, I think it's very rude and a sign of someone who doesn't know what they are doing, and apologise to the salesperson if I accidently cover him with the muzzle.
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    My wife just had an accidental discharge last week. Luckily she had it pointed in a safe direction. You just never know.

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    • #3
      I think you did the right thing, I should have do done the same. And I have done it too; several times. I have even told the sellers to do not point the gun at me.


      Originally posted by paperpuncher View Post
      My wife just had an accidental discharge last week. Luckily she had it pointed in a safe direction. You just never know.
      Accidental discharge ? You mean a negligent discharge, right?
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      • #4
        I see this day in and day out at work and it just makes me wonder what kind of training, if any, do these people have in gun safety. What is worse is to see the parents hand a gun to a child and the child does the same with no correction from the parents.

        The good folks behind the counter know this behaviour is the norm unfortunately and let is slide. The comment about the internet buy was completely out of line.

        And I agree you should have said something on both counts.

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        • #5
          Better to warn him and lose a friend than to watch someone lose their life over an accidental discharge. You can be rest assured he will have pretty damn good gun control whenever he is around you now....
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          • #6
            Originally posted by KMA View Post
            I think you did the right thing, I should have do done the same. And I have done it too; several times. I have even told the sellers to do not point the gun at me.




            Accidental discharge ? You mean a negligent discharge, right?
            Right

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            • #7
              OP, I had almost the exact same situation a few weeks ago. I had introduced an acquaintance from work to shooting last year around this time. He liked it quite a bit and while I never went with him again, he did find others to go with. In other words, this guy has been shooting for a yer now. Mostly renting guns and going with others. Anyway, he mentioned he was finally ready to buy something so I offered to go to the shop with him to look a few guns. I was SHOCKED at the way this guy handled a gun. Similar to your guy. Sweeping the clerk, finger on the trigger etc... The clerk made an obvious point of stepping aside several times. I told him several times not to do it and to keep his finger off the trigger, but he kept doing it. Finally the clerk got a little uptight with him, and I don't blame him either. It never ceases to amaze me... Why are some people so stupid?
              A week later the range this clown goes to had a ND. Some guy shot his friend in the leg. The usual story, "I thought it was empty". I thought it was the guy from work, but it wasn't. Apparently there are lots of these people around...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by thetmanski View Post
                I went to Gander Mountain today with a friend to look at some 1911's. My friend kept looking at different guns and sweeping the muzzle across the clerks chest. I mentioned to him that it was pretty rude to point a gun at someone, even the clerk who just made sure the gun was unloaded, the only person that heard was my friend and the clerk, and I asked the clerk if he got tired of guns being pointed at him all the time? And he said sure, but it kind of comes with the job. Then my friend mentioned something to the clerk about buying the same gun on the internet and saving some money, and I whispered to him that's not very cool to come in and waste a clerks time then tell him you're going to buy the gun on the internet. Anyway when we got outside, my friend said he really wanted to kick my ass for embarrassing him in front of the salesman. He said the store was so crowded that he couldn't find a place to check out the sights without the barrel covering someone, and I suggested using the floor, the walls above everyone's head, or the ceiling or someplace other than at the clerk. He said well I've seen you do the same thing, and I said yes, sometimes I do cover a person with the muzzle while handing it to then after I've safety checked it, and I want him to say something when he catches me doing something like that, I never do it intenionally. I sure never mind being corrected. After all if he were to do that in a competition he'd could get a warning or be disqualified and he is wanting to get into competition, so I thought I was being helpful. I told him also to let me know if my finger slips into the trigger guard and call me out on that too (that's my big weakness). I had no problem keeping the guns pointed in a safe direction while checking out the sights and trigger pull and stuff. This guy is kind of new to buying guns in a shop, so I thought I was being helpful, but he said I came across as being kind of short and bossy, and I didn't mean to, just trying to offer some good advice. I always try and avoid sweeping the muzzle across the salesman or anyone else for that matter, no matter what condition the gun is in, slide open, closed, or with the cylinder open or closed. I might add this same fellow shot a hole through his wall last week after thinking he had unloaded it, he racked the slide THEN dropped the mag and pulled the trigger and boom.
                Do you all think I should I have just shut up and let him do his thing, or should I have spoken up like I did and mention that he was being rude, and acting like he's never handled a gun in a store before?
                I just figured with him being kind of a newbie to gun buying in stores (he buys most his guns 2nd hand), he would appreciate the advice, but I guess I really pissed him off.. We talked it over afterwards and made peace, but it still bothers me that I pissed off my friend that badly over common gun handling. Gun safety is very important to me, and I don't mind being corrected if I do something rude or dangerous, and I figured most people don't mind being corrected in what I thought was polite way. I was a bit tired so maybe I was short and bossy, but that was totally unintentional.
                The guy wanted me to come and give him my advice on which 1911 to buy, So I didn't figure he'd care if I made a couple suggestions on his gun etiquette. I know people point guns at salesmen all the time, but I try and not do that, I think it's very rude and a sign of someone who doesn't know what they are doing, and apologise to the salesperson if I accidently cover him with the muzzle.
                Don't let it bother you. Just tell your friend that it's better to be pissed off than pissed on. No excuse for pointing a gun at anyone if you don't intend to shoot them.
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                • #9
                  lost friend

                  I have lost two hunting partners, that continued to sweep me with their 12 gauge while chukar hunting. It became a not so fun game during hunting I would call out "barrel", "Barrel, "barrel" time and time, and time again. Occasionally they would shout out, we're 60 yards away from each other, or, safety is on. Have not hunted with either one since.
                  - I see this happen in gun shops all of the time. It' pisses me off. I learned in Minnesota at the age of 12 in hunter safety; point muzzle in safe direction, No IFS ANDS OR BUTS. PERIOD. On the one in a million a gun goes off incidentally, if it's pointed in a safe direction, no one will be harmed.

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                  • #10
                    Im with disapointed... I dont hunt, but this is not the guy i want to go to the range with! If you cant follow the basic rules of gun safety, I dont trust you with a gun! Period. Im not saying im perfect by any means, but I try my best to be, and if I slip up and someone calls me on it, great. Thats one less possible dangerous ND.
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                    • #11
                      I have a friend who muzzle sweeps at the range. He always has the slide open when done firing but he still sweeps me and the few others that might be there. And every time he does it I speak to him, "Muzzle." I can tell he gets frustrated but I don't know if his frustration is towards me or himself. Either way I let him know. I hope he would return the same favor to me by warning me if I were breaking one of the rules.

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                      • #12
                        IMO anyone with any training should be aware enough not to point the muzzle at something breathing. What is the first rule of handling a gun? It should be instinctive to point in a safe direction whether action is open or not. Common sense is not present in everyone. As for the guy that sweeps his gun at the range where is the range officer. The range wouldn't ban him anyway because they want his money.

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                        • #13
                          Seems like guns and most people just don't mix.

                          We all love and respect guns here.
                          Unfortunately seems like lots of people just don't get how dangerous guns really are.
                          Makes me realize why there are others at the other side of the spectrum that have a major fear of all guns.
                          Seeing some folks handle guns can make my skin crawl.
                          I'm not big on restrictions with gun ownership.
                          But practically anyone can buy one with zero training or experience.
                          It's an accident waiting to happen.
                          You don't just get keys to a car and go driving in public without training.

                          I pretty much only shoot by myself these days.
                          Only have two good friends, that practice the same gun safety as me,
                          that I will hand my unloaded gun to.

                          These days we don't need to call each other on gun safety.
                          But 20 years ago when we all started carrying? We did as we learned.
                          There's nothing wrong with that.
                          If your friend thinks there is? Then he's really no friend is he?
                          Last edited by Barth; 03-18-2012, 09:56 AM.

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                          • #14
                            I mostly shoot in the pits at my club now, once set up you own that pit, so no one's going to sweep me there.

                            At The Range

                            I take a "friend" who used to sweep me often when I took him along, and I told him so, yelling "RIGHT FACE".
                            Now when he goes, I stand to his right, so when he turns his gun, instead of his BODY, he no longer sweeps me.
                            Sometimes NOT shooting when taking someone new is the safest thing to do, so you can stand behind them and grab their shoulders when the start to do stupid stuff.

                            If I have to shoot at a firing line, I'll take the open port furthest to the right to lesson the number of idiots turning the gun down the firing line, instead of turning their body to keep the gun pointing down range.

                            At The Gun Store

                            I NEVER belly up to the counter and stay back of the "sweeping" line.

                            If I want to look at a handgun, I have a clerk take it out, and walk to the extreme RIGHT end of the counter before bellying up to take the gun from the clerk and leave all the "sweepers" to my left.

                            If I'm being swept in a store by someone close, I'll push the gun/muzzle away from me; if someones far away, I'll move.

                            That said, with my luck, I'll be swept/shot by a left handed idiot.
                            just sayin'
                            I apologize if my post contains the same or similar information as someone who has posted before me.

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                            • #15
                              Folks new to firearms and/or new to range visits should print this thread and read it every day for 21 days. I pretty much practice Tilos' methods at any GS. The tough thing is pulling those practices off at a show. Virtually impossible and pretty much don't go anymore. Too many idiots at gun shows.

                              I wouldn't hesitate calling someone down at the range. They can be pissed all they like, eventually it'll sink in hopefully. I am a member at a private range of <300 families, but I frequently pull up, evaluate the crowd, and make a u-turn. I find myself going on rainy and/or cold days when I can be safe all by my lonesome.

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