CNN says Zimmerman to be prosecuted

[jocko]

I concur with Knkali, stay out of other people business if at all possable. We will die for our family, I won't for my neighbor across the street: just sayin

We gotta let this thing play out and my bet if the case goes totrial it willbe close to 1.5 years before thay happens and by then alot of the feeding frenzy mighty have subsided. We don'[t know what happened but IMO I think 2nd degree murder is gonna be alot harder to prove than mansluaghter. I look for some good attorney to get involved in this case. they could care less about zimmerman but the publicity is what they are after

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(bawanna)

please don't lockthis thread because of what I just said, if it offends the mods, just delecte my thread. I do feel like most this is a subject of great importance to a gun fourm, keep it clean, giveur opinions as just that,..

[getsome]

Thank you gentlemen for keeping this clean and on track...I really think this issue is of great importance and a learning experience to anyone who carries a firearm and the importance of when to and when not to use it...

I agree 100% with knkali and jocko that in this day and time it's more important than ever to mind your own business and I'll give an example of something I recently did trying to do the right thing and it turning out bad...

I was visiting my sons new apartment recently and on the way back to my car I saw that someone had dropped their car keys so my idea was to try and figure out which car they belonged to and leave a note under the wiper that my son had them in his apartment...

I touched the door lock button to see if the headlights would blink or the horn beep once so I would know which car they went to....Well somehow I managed to set off the alarm on a new Lexus sports car and out of nowhere comes this BIG dude with 3 or 4 buddies and he was looking very upset...I tried to explain what happened but I'm pretty sure he was drinking or on something because he kept getting in my face and wanting to kick my a$$ like I was trying to steel his car or something...

He finally grabbed the keys out of my hand and he and his buddies went back to their apartment acting all big and bad and never said thanks for finding my keys so that some other lowlife didn't really steal my car...

That incedent taught me a lesson about getting involved in something that isn't my business...Next time he can find his own d@mn keys!!!

[Tinman507]

This may seem Polly-annish to a degree, but I don't think you can go wrong doing the right thing always.

Sorry you did your Good Turn for a D-bag but you still did the right thing.

Deep down most folks are good people. Yes there is a whole classification of total dregs and human garbage out there but that shouldn't force us to become disinterested and disengaged.

[Bawanna]

I gotta be the odd man out once again. I'm a get involved guy. I agree we need to be extremely careful and I'm a firm believer in NO good deed goes unpunished but no damsel in distress need worry if I'm in the area.

Graffiti artist, people that bother old people, anything not acceptable to society I'm involved. Turning the other cheek is why we're where we're at today.

[jocko]

getsome: There u go, a good semaritan that could have went real bad. One hates to feel the way I stated to but wometimes one canmaybe getinvolved in something that seems blackand white only to find out it might be a family thibg and then both parties turn on u.

Fokk with me, and I might take a beatign before I will pull my gun, fokk withy my family and u will be shot . I am 68, so they \can't take a whole lot of life from me either, but I always felt I could run or retreat but my wife and kids maybe cannot. Hell of an attitude to have when it might involve other people u don't know but I can walk away from it.

There is alot of human garbage out there but unfortunaltey according to the law they get every right u and I have and again not to sound racist, if he is black and u are white, it might again be a wholenew ball game for what criminal justice is all about. 2nd degree murder in florida is minimum senstence of 25 years, mansalughter is maybe 5 years, u know the blakc folks would have never settled for a mansalugherr charge, no way. I think the prosecutor was under dureess to "do the wrong thing" IMO, she is gonna have to workher ass off to win this case. Burden of prooff in 2nd degree murder is alot higher than manslaugher. Only takes on juror thugh, so in this case I would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6...

[les strat]

He is probably safer in jail. When the new black panthers have a hit on you, it's not a good place to be. That, plus Sharpton. JJ, and crew enciting the public to civil unrest if he is not crucified. He won't be safe if he is cleared, and violence will ensue, mark my words on that.

This is a case of circumstance. I personally think Zimmerman should have backed off when told by the 911 person, Regardless, this is not a law, so if he was attacked, I believe he had the right to shoot. But, he could have backed off. IDK.

An off-duty LEO working as a security guard is no more a cop than "self-appointed neighborhood watch" guy. If the security guard approaches a suspicious person, and that person attacks, and he shoots them, is he also now up for 2nd degree murder?

The prosecution said, "We want all to know, these charges are not being brought about because of public outcry." I call BS on that.

[beatlesfan]

I'm the get involved guy as well. If I see someone in trouble I'm gonna help. The police may take too long to show up and the victim could be badly hurt by the time they do. Even for someone dropping their keys, I'd still do the same and try to figure out who's car it was.

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[beatlesfan]

He is probably safer in jail. When the new black panthers have a hit on you, it's not a good place to be. That, plus Sharpton. JJ, and crew enciting the public to civil unrest if he is not crucified. He won't be safe if he is cleared, and violence will ensue, mark my words on that.

I'm gonna agree with you on this part. If not in jail, then locked in the house with a Remington 1100 and a Glock 18.

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[Deano]

Zimmerman's life will never be the same. On that we can all agree. I think about these types of cases a lot when trying to formulate in my mind what it would take to actually bring me to shoot someone. It would take a lot, but how much? Tough question to answer unless you're actually in a situation where you fear for your life. My hope is that none of us ever end up in that situation. It's a life changer for sure. Even if it's totally justified, financial harm or even ruin is a certainty. High price to pay for defending yourself. Clearly the best idea is to stay away from places where it might become necessary. Zimmerman seems to have strayed from the simple mantra "don't go looking for trouble".

[Bawanna]

Zimmerman's life will never be the same. On that we can all agree. I think about these types of cases a lot when trying to formulate in my mind what it would take to actually bring me to shoot someone. It would take a lot, but how much? Tough question to answer unless you're actually in a situation where you fear for your life. My hope is that none of us ever end up in that situation. It's a life changer for sure. Even if it's totally justified, financial harm or even ruin is a certainty. High price to pay for defending yourself. Clearly the best idea is to stay away from places where it might become necessary. Zimmerman seems to have strayed from the simple mantra "don't go looking for trouble".

Based on what the media says which is worth little or nothing. He was part of a neighborhood watch program, so his job (paying or not) was to look for trouble. Unfortunately for all involved he found it.

Again we are basing assumptions and scenarios with no good source of information.

[Deano]

Based on what the media says which is worth little or nothing. He was part of a neighborhood watch program, so his job (paying or not) was to look for trouble. Unfortunately for all involved he found it.

Again we are basing assumptions and scenarios with no good source of information.

Even though he was on "neighborhood watch", the police clearly told him not to follow Trayvon. He chose to ignore that. So to me, he clearly did go looking for trouble and he certainly found it.

[Bawanna]

Even though he was on "neighborhood watch", the police clearly told him not to follow Trayvon. He chose to ignore that. So to me, he clearly did go looking for trouble and he certainly found it.

That is standard response from a dispatcher trained to avoid liability. They will always tell you not to do anything that might cause you harm or they may be held accountable.

Your child is kidnapped, your following in your vehicle but can't get a plate number, they will tell you not to pursue. What you gonna do? Listen to a messenger in a climate controlled office thinking about their next break or do what your assigned or feel you need to do.

I agree your technically correct. According to the media he was told to slack off and not do anything so he did go looking for it.

[muggsy]

Even though he was on "neighborhood watch", the police clearly told him not to follow Trayvon. He chose to ignore that. So to me, he clearly did go looking for trouble and he certainly found it.

The police didn't tell Zimmermen not to follow Trayvon. Their exact word were that, "it wasn't necessary". Words mean things. If they wanted Zimmerman to stop following Trayvon they should have ordered him to stop. According to Zimmerman he stopped following Trayvon when he lost sight of him. Zimmerman claims that he was returning to his truck when Trayvon attacked him. If those are the facts it indicates a clear case of self defense. Some of us may find ourselves in Zimmerman's position some day. Be very careful about what you say.

[ORSalesRep]

Even though he was on "neighborhood watch", the police clearly told him not to follow Trayvon. He chose to ignore that. So to me, he clearly did go looking for trouble and he certainly found it.

The information that we have cannot yet be taken as gospel. The media is full of sh** on so many levels. I've heard it both ways. I heard that the actual 911 tape had Zimmerman saying he was going to continue to follow Martin and observe and the 911 operation responded by telling him that was not necessary. At which point I've heard that he did so anyway and I have also heard he broke off his pursuit and was attacked on his way back to his vehicle. We will have to wait until the trial. Nothing in the press can be counted on. They posted a picture of Martin when he was 13 years old and looked like a child. Martin was 6'2" and 180 pounds.

[AIRret]

To get involve or NOT? I guess you have to decide what you can live with!!! If someone was shooting people in a McDonnell's, a mall, a school playground..... I know I could not live in peace if I did not act, no matter what the legal cost. I'd be happier in jail than living with my my thoughts of what happened. However, Zimmerman was NOT in that situation. He simply saw someone who looked suspicious! I bet he wishes he never left his car/truck. I feel sorry for him. His intentions were probably good, but life is not that simple.

Personally, I think this case could be HUGE with respect to carry laws!!!! It may afect all of us! Exactly WHAT does "stand you ground" mean? For me if stand your ground means you can show your weapon to discourage an attack I think it would be great!